Thinking this game is a bad investment

[Voltyblast]

Life whether it real life or virtual continue on regardless what happens to a individual, if bob get in sick or takes a break the game community continues on whether or not they there to participate.

And here's main issue: if he doesn't want to participate then that's fine: he's not playing the game and has abandoned it. All of his stuff should be recovered for those who want to use it because he is not using them.

But what about my case? I still want to "participate" - as you properly mentioned - but say my income doesn't allow me to pay a sub for a month or two: I'm not allowed to keep my house because someone said "well she can't pay the sub? Well it seems she doesn't care enough"?

Instead of doing all this, why don't they focus on those who don't participate? Like those who deliberately leave abandoned house for no reason? Remember that this is a game and SE is a game developer: if they wanted to fix things they could, but they didn't and now people are blaming us for not using our houses properly?

Suddenly, I regret buying my house.

[Reaperking386]

I don't know about you but it's quite hard to help people when you're:
1)Hospitalized for X days/months
2)In vacation and cannot log in (plus why do you want to log in? you're in vacation...)
3)Have no connection because "Insert problem"
4)Having other IRL things to do such as "Insert long term duties such as military etc"
5)Lack of Money

I don't know about you but it's quite hard to help people when you're:

1)Hospitalized for X days/months
Your house is the least of your worries if you are hospitalize for +45 days

2)In vacation and cannot log in (plus why do you want to log in? you're in vacation...)
No one goes on vacation for 45 days.

3)Have no connection because "Insert problem"
Everything and everyone has wifi these days. If you can't afford it then you shouldn't be playing a Subscription based MMO.

4)Having other IRL things to do such as "Insert long term duties such as military etc"
Stop using Deployments as an excuses. We choose that life style and a Japaneses company should not concern itself with foreign military.

5)Lack of Money
Then you should not be playing a subscription based MMO.

[Voltyblast]

I don't know about you but it's quite hard to help people when you're:

1)Hospitalized for X days/months
Your house is the least of your worries if you are hospitalize for +45 days

2)In vacation and cannot log in (plus why do you want to log in? you're in vacation...)
No one goes on vacation for 45 days.

3)Have no connection because "Insert problem"
Everything and everyone has wifi these days. If you can't afford it then you shouldn't be playing a Subscription based MMO.

4)Having other IRL things to do such as "Insert long term duties such as military etc"
Stop using Deployments as an excuses. We choose that life style and a Japaneses company should not concern itself with foreign military.

5)Lack of Money
Then you should not be playing a subscription based MMO.

I guess I'll just keep on playing like usual...and so those who are still playing and have a house. Some houses "might" become free but there won't be enough for everyone. Nothing will change in the end: a couple dozen of plots will get free, yeah, but only for getting filled within the next 10 minutes after maintainance. And those who still sell houses will still sell houses: it doesn't take too log on alts and remove the 45 day reclaiming notice.

45 days isn't a lot for some, I will let you have that, but it won't solve any issues and only cause more instead: people are already blaming us for Christ's Sake!

But I guess I'm making excuses up to this point, correct?

[Imoen]

it doesn't take too log on alts and remove the 45 day reclaiming notice.

Uh, isn't this kind of like the answer to your own concerns? With the exception of financial difficulty. (or did I miss something?)

it won't solve any issues and only cause more instead: people are already blaming us for Christ's Sake!

What? (genuinely wondering)

[NatSilverguard]

good luck OP! o7

can i haz your stuffz?

[Voltyblast]

Uh, isn't this kind of like the answer to your own concerns? With the exception of financial difficulty. (or did I miss something?)

What? (genuinely wondering)

Just wanting to reply these mainly because they're not completely on topic, but they are important things that are discussed lately about the incoming patch and that it does affect me too.

Both things refer to the fact that the 45 days limit won't solve anything: it should work as a way to make those unused houses "used" by those who actually need and I'm completely for it without a doubt.
However, the 45 days reclaim doesn't solve anything: housing's main purpose is gil sinking but those house owners (Keyword, owners) will still sell their houses, houses that could actually be used by players in need (instead of being sold for quadruple price)

The second one is about the fact that, due to this 45 limit, most of the players are putting the blame us house users instead of the real culprit: Square Enix. I beg of you to check the other thread if you haven't because that's where we've gone at: people pointing at each others saying that "if you aren't using for more than 45 days you don't deserve it" and etcetera. Heck, my friend was on their side too and it took me 3 hours to make her understand that it doesn't solve anything: it only prolongs the same, exact scenario over and over again and the blame are put on us, house users , instead of Square Enix AND the house owners who just hog on their place for no particular reason.

And BTW, I'm a house user. I actually use it everyday and I remodel it pretty often. But if I just step away for 45 days, I apparently don't deserve to have it anymore.

[Miah_G]

I play on Balmung, one of the most populated servers.

There are players that I know that own multiple houses. How they get the gil to do this, I have no idea. Some of them don't seem to craft or play enough to earn the gil to have that many homes, but whatever - that's not really the issue I want to talk about. The issue is that there are absolutely zero plots available anywhere and a large portion of them are rotting because they're owned by rarely used alternate characters or by FCs with a single, inactive member.

I (and I am sure many others) have been saving gil for a long time now and would like to eventually own a private house. Sadly, under the old system, I knew that I'd never have that, no matter how much I earned and saved. Though I still don't think I can get one until new wards open up, if I'm fast and lucky enough to beat the rush of people doing the same thing as I plan to do when that day comes.


New Free Companies likely go through this issue as well. There are no plots and no amount of earning, saving and effort is going to change that.They'll be unable to take advantage of certain things that FC houses offer. The only hope they have is if a FC house gets reclaimed, and even then they have to be quick and lucky enough to beat others going after it.

Why is it fair to say that people not playing the game should own a limited resource (plots) for an indefinite amount of time without paying anything to keep it, while others who pay their sub every month and play the game can't even dream of it? Just because someone played the game and paid a sum of gil once upon a time for a home, doesn't mean that they should own it until the end of time, especially when its such an important, limited and highly sought after thing.

The system that we have for housing in FF14 is not ideal (there are games that GIVE each of their players housing), but this is what we have and what we have to deal with. If a person isn't paying for their sub in one way or another, then their house should be freed up for those that are paying and supporting the game.

Personally, I think that SE should do more to free up housing plots. At the very least, they should tie home ownership to account and server - 1 FC house if a FC Leader and 1 personal home per server. I mean, really, there shouldn't be an opportunity for real-estate barons or people hogging housing plots with alts just to have them.

[Mycow8me]

Pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Yoshida specifically said he wants in the future for everyone to be able to buy their own home and what not at some point when it becomes possible with current server technology. I'm guessing this should happen around the next ice age at the rate things are going. Please look forward to it, you can use FC rooms till then.

[Imoen]

Just wanting to reply these mainly because they're not completely on topic, but they are important things that are discussed lately about the incoming patch and that it does affect me too.

Both things refer to the fact that the 45 days limit won't solve anything: it should work as a way to make those unused houses "used" by those who actually need and I'm completely for it without a doubt.
However, the 45 days reclaim doesn't solve anything: housing's main purpose is gil sinking but those house owners (Keyword, owners) will still sell their houses, houses that could actually be used by players in need (instead of being sold for quadruple price)

The second one is about the fact that, due to this 45 limit, most of the players are putting the blame us house users instead of the real culprit: Square Enix. I beg of you to check the other thread if you haven't because that's where we've gone at: people pointing at each others saying that "if you aren't using for more than 45 days you don't deserve it" and etcetera. Heck, my friend was on their side too and it took me 3 hours to make her understand that it doesn't solve anything: it only prolongs the same, exact scenario over and over again and the blame are put on us, house users , instead of Square Enix AND the house owners who just hog on their place for no particular reason.

And BTW, I'm a house user. I actually use it everyday and I remodel it pretty often. But if I just step away for 45 days, I apparently don't deserve to have it anymore.

Hmm thanks for the response, I'll check out the other thread, I guess I'm just confused, because most of the complaints seem to be around the 45 day thing which I think is a non issue in my opinion. If you need to be out for an extended period of time, you can solve that like you would solve any other thing in your life that needs to be taken care of while you are away. (Even easier because it can be accessed almost anywhere)

Then on the other end people are acknowledging that some plots will be freed up (Because of this 45 day thing) but then simultaneously say it doesn't help and it somehow punishes owners and then shifting the argument to there is not enough plots, while also bringing up the fact people can buy a personal and FC housing etc...

I guess my point is, that is 3 different issues and should be treated as such.

Removing the house reclamation system doesn't solve anything either, you can't say it doesn't solve anything but then also acknowledge that some plots will be cleared - if any plots are cleared due to this system, it is working as intended.

That other stuff about alts and number of plots ect... are completely separate issues.

With all that said, I have no problem with the 45 day system and I say that as a current house owner and user of that same house.

[Voltyblast]

I guess my point is, that is 3 different issues and should be treated as such.

Removing the house reclamation system doesn't solve anything either, you can't say it doesn't solve anything but then also acknowledge that some plots will be cleared - if any plots are cleared due to this system, it is working as intended.

That other stuff about alts and number of plots ect... are completely separate issues.

With all that said, I have no problem with the 45 day system and I say that as a current house owner and user of that same house.

Putting the housing reclamation system also doesn't resolve either: as I clearly said the same scenario will repeat in an infinite cycle. Yeah people are gonna lose houses "as intended", but it's never going to be enough plots "as they promised".

You know how this issue should be properly treated? Focus on the house hoggers and those who actually don't use their house in months, MONTHS, not just 45 days! 45 days is a normal period of time where a person would love to take a small break, perhaps playing something else without necessarily being reminded that their house is a timed bomb. Is that so hard to understand? Does nobody take a break from this game for more than, I dunno, 24 hours or something? Because, for what most of the people seem to imply is that "you either play 24/7, or you don't care enough". This isn't Vanilla WoW anymore: people still play but also take small breaks from time to time, and 45 days is simply too short of a time.

Now if it was 90 days, that would be way better. Still low-ish, but definitely more time to think about it.

I'll make a brief example: my FC, which has a house, is currently empty and barely anyone logs in because they don't want to play the game for now and are waiting patch 3.1. Even the leader is away. It's been like this since I joined, about 2 or 3 months ago and currently I'm the only player online most of the day (whether I should join another or not, that's irrelevant for now). In this case I'd say that the house should be reclaimed for someone else instead of simply passing the ownership onto someone else, allowing an FC who has the funds for the plot to buy it. In 45 days (in this case, I still want 90 days), might become someone else's but someone will still be still be without a house no matter what. One left, another came in, but hundreds more to go.

Whether it's getting implemented or not, nothing will be fixed because the only way to fix things is to increase the wards and plots, OR insert a properly made instaced housing for everyone to use and leaving the wards to FC housing.
But if "working as intended" means to liberate one house for 1 player but leaving 999 in the dust, then I suppose this is good.

PS: The alts issue is quite literally a relevant thing: one player buying multiple plots with their 7 alts? That's 7 plots that could be used by someone who actually need them. How 'bout fixing that too?