Can we get a hardmode version of the void ark series in the future?

[Warlyx]

outside of tanks not tanking in tanking stance....i still to see some lose hate :/ , all the pld pull with FoF , warrior with unchained berserk and what not ...and Drk have the aura at the start....main agro chain x2 and impossible to lose agro....even then , quelling strikes is there for you!

[Nektulos-Tuor]

outside of tanks not tanking in tanking stance....i still to see some lose hate :/ , all the pld pull with FoF , warrior with unchained berserk and what not ...and Drk have the aura at the start....main agro chain x2 and impossible to lose agro....even then , quelling strikes is there for you!

Laziness is contagious.

Laziness only breeds more laziness. I had one dungeon where a summoner literally did nothing the entire way (level 60 dungeon). He did nothing except use Ruin II.

A lot of tanks, can be the same way. They don't work for aggro.

The best way to solve this is to constantly rip aggro off the tank. That way you show how bad they are and force them to play better even if it kills you.

[Ashkendor]

Only premade alliances can enter

Until putting together alliances through PF undergoes some improvement, this is going to be a pain in the ass for most people.

You must have missed the part where if you actually try, you die from crappy tanks? During WoD, if I even performed at 80%, I would die. Call it lazy, but I ain't about to rack up a repair bill because most players in this game have no idea how to play their class. But, it's all god. Avoid the actual points being made and fall back to "lawl lazy herp derp"

You must've missed the part where I frequently outdamage lazy/inept dps as both Paladin and Scholar. I don't agree with Nektulos often, but I'll throw resounding agreement on the fact that laziness tends to infect the 24 man raids like some kind of bizarre plague and I for one don't understand why. Why go into content with the intent to just coast and let everyone carry you? Just... why? People try to say that this is a NA concept, but frankly as an NA player I'm as confused as the rest of you. When I go in there as any class, I put in my best effort. If I rip hate off the MT as Paladin when I'm not even in Shield Oath, then oh well I guess I'm tanking. If I rip hate as a Monk, I use Fists of Earth, pop defensive cooldowns, turn the boss away from the party, and pray that the healers aren't asleep at the wheel. If I'm on Scholar and I see a DPS rip hate, I heal the ever-living crap out of them. You say he's avoiding your point, but honestly I don't think you ever really had one aside from "But I want to watch Netflix while I raid!"

And seriously, if you have that much of a problem with gil that you can't repair, I'm not really sure what to say.

[Fevelle]

We did not have all this "Make a harder version of X" before... What's happening? Is this caused by migration from other decadent games? I wonder.

[StrejdaTom]

We did not have all this "Make a harder version of X" before... What's happening? Is this caused by migration from other decadent games? I wonder.

True, we only had nerf this and nerf that threads so far.
Things are starting to look better.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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People assume that because the game is so easy, it gives them the excuse to be lazy and not do well because hey, game is easy enough and you can get carried anyway. Naturally, things go Moogle up and the blame game ensues. Heck, I seen people go into CT raids without a job crystal just for the giggles, but all it does is plant a huge target on their head when something goes wrong.

[Fevelle]

True, we only had nerf this and nerf that threads so far.
Things are starting to look better.

Starting to look worse, because now we'll have both 'nerf' and 'harder' sides clashing.

[StrejdaTom]

Starting to look worse, because now we'll have both 'nerf' and 'harder' sides clashing.

If they made more difficulties, people wouldn't have to clash.

[Fevelle]

If they made more difficulties, people wouldn't have to clash.

They would, because the 'harder' faction would demand better rewards along with the difficult.
The only way it would work would be releasing a 2 way patch: 3.1.1, with MSQ and hard mode versions of everything (all queueable trough the DF) and then a chatch up 3.1.2 with the normal versions 2 months after, with the same rewards.

To be completely honest, I'm totally fine with the way Square is doing things now. The majority of players don't like hard content and DF content is on the right spot for them.

[Morningstar1337]

Starting to look worse, because now we'll have both 'nerf' and 'harder' sides clashing.

And then some people will think they are the same group of hypocrites.

Oh and eventually they will actually be the same group of hypocrites