Reclamation of Inactive Housing announced

[LaylaTsarra]

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not endorsing deletion or advocating retention of characters, I'm simply pointing out a similarity in characters and housing in response to the previously quoted user. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, of course.

I was agreeing with the concept that neither is right assuming that was the point you were trying to make. Obviously people here have a difference of opinion and I don't think either is going to change their point of view.

[Lexia]

...oh my god, you honestly believe that someone logging in once every 45 days and entering their house and then immediately logging out is somehow "using" it more than someone who pays their sub but, for whatever reason, can't or chooses not to login for those 45 days? Because by SE's rules that's their current definition of "use" that you are so furiously defending.

Look past your self-righteous keyboard rage to realize that the only difference between what I suggested and what SE wants is two minutes of login time; an inconvenience for the sake of being inconvenient. It in no way encourages or forces players to actively use and appreciate the functions of their house any more than they already do or do not do. Use logic, please; don't just arbitrary bang your hands on your keyboard and yell about how people need to be "using their house or losing it" when SE's defined concept of "use" doesn't actually require you to interact with any housing function beyond the front door.

For one I did not say entering it once and logging off is "using it" I said if they care so much for their house they can enter it least once in those 45 days to keep their trophy house get your stuff straight.

[OfTheWhitewind]

Character space is limited on some servers, and the deletion of characters is the only way to free up space for new ones.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...06d0909189e479

I... know. And? It's still not the same as housing. You buy the game with real money to get a character. I'm pretty sure you don't buy the game to get a house... and if you do then you wouldn't even need to worry about the 45 day thing because you're clearly using your house a lot. :P

[loreleidiangelo]

When you say,

No it should be how often you enter your house, someone even mentioned here on the forums that they play often (think it was everyday) but hadn't entered their house for months. So this person that plays everyday but hasn't bothered to visit their house for months which is a extended amount of time is what just using it a trophy or something? While the people that do want a house and would actually use it are left out.

I can only assume that you believe the simple act of visiting your player home means that you are actively "using it" enough to "deserve it" (as though owning a home as a vanity/luxury/trophy item isn't a perfectly valid reason for wanting to own one...). I pointed out that the concept was a little ridiculous, because simply visiting your house doesn't mean you actually have to DO anything with it, and that seems to be the main argument that non-homeowners bring up when we they talk about why they're more worthy of owning another player's home - "I'd actually USE it!".

If you meant something else, then you should work on formulating your ideas into a cohesive, structured post detailing any changes you'd make to SE's proposed reclamation system and why you think they're better.

[Lexia]

When you say,



I can only assume that you believe the simple act of visiting your player home means that you are actively "using it" enough to "deserve it" (as though owning a home as a vanity/luxury/trophy item isn't a perfectly valid reason for wanting to own one...). I pointed out that the concept was a little ridiculous, because simply visiting your house doesn't mean you actually have to DO anything with it, and that seems to be the main argument that non-homeowners bring up when we they talk about why they're more worthy of owning another player's home - "I'd actually USE it!".

If you meant something else, then you should work on formulating your ideas into a cohesive, structured post detailing any changes you'd make to SE's proposed reclamation system and why you think they're better.

It was aimed at the whole 45 days limit, I don't care what a person does with their house, use it, let it rot that their decision yes but they can enter their house once in that time frame to keep their house. Which brings it to it should be how often you enter your house (least once every 45 days) not because "i pay a sub" which everyone else does too which seems to be a main argument.

[loreleidiangelo]

It was aimed at the whole 45 days limit, I don't care what a person does with their house, use it, let it rot that their decision yes but they can enter their house once in that time frame to keep their house. Which brings it to it should be how often you enter your house (least once every 45 days) not because "i pay a sub" which everyone else does too which seems to be a main argument.

So you really believe that 2 minutes of inconvenience somehow makes a person worthy to keep their home, in a manner that $15 a month does not?

Okay then. Think I've wasted enough daily post limit on this.

[Niwashi]

If they're using the chocobo stables right in front of their house, is it really too much to ask that the they enter it once every 45 days? I don't believe so, and if their only desire is the chocobo housing, then FC housing is perfect for that and there's no real need to occupy a house.

It's not a matter of whether it's easy or not. It's the fact that it's being used to measure whether you're using the property or not, when in fact for many people it's not the normal use of their property. If you dare let yourself forget about this system for a brief period and just use your estate the way you want to use it, then it will suddenly just disappear on you. Actively playing the game should identify us as actively playing the game, without having to keep calling out "HEY, I'M STILL HERE" every few days.

I think it should (at least for personal houses) be based on whether you're still paying your subscription or not. Having it be based on when you last logged into the game or even when you last went to your housing plot would work too, if they want to make sure it's reserved for people using the housing system. But it shouldn't be based on when we last used just that one particular piece of the estate (the interior of the house), when there's other parts of it as well that aren't being counted.

(And as to FC housing being perfect if you just want the chocobo stable, that FC housing is subject to the same rule. If you just use it for its chocobo stable, then you'll lose the whole estate in 45 days, including that stable.)

[Crimsonwolf3400]

Which brings it to it should be how often you enter your house (least once every 45 days) not because "i pay a sub" which everyone else does too which seems to be a main argument.

I'm not seeking an argument, but it seems to me that game content offered under their subscription model, such as housing, should be available to all of us who pay a subscription, and not just a select few who made it there first. Do you agree that, since your subscription is roughly equivalent to any other player, if one of us can access housing for that monthly fee, we should all be able to?

[OfTheWhitewind]

So you really believe that 2 minutes of inconvenience somehow makes a person worthy to keep their home, in a manner that $15 a month does not?

Okay then. Think I've wasted enough daily post limit on this.

If entering your house is a "2 minute inconvenience" why do you even have a house? Like... I'm not trying to tell anyone how to play but I literally do not understand this logic. What is the actual point?

[Ibi]

What is the actual point?

The point is that SE's definition of "use" is very arbitrary, and has nothing to do with how much someone is actually using a house.

Someone who spends less than 1% of their time on their house but stays subscribed is considered to be "using" their house more than someone who spends more than 75% of their time on their house, but is only subscribed half as much.