Thinking this game is a bad investment

[Chessala]

Let's talk brass tacks, shall we?

If you want the community style of the housing districts, complete with an actual neighborhood, then you're going to have a limited number of houses. Sorry, that's just a fact of life. If you want an instanced house, ala the Mog House from FFXI, you're not going to have the neighborhood, nor are you likely to have an exterior to your home.

Let me introduce you to housing in Rift. Dimensions (Instances for housing) where you can build your house LITERALLY piece by piece. I see an outside and garden, you don't?

They can be set to public (among others) and everyone can go there.

[Kyonika]

Hey ... Hey OP,

I will try to convince you that you don't have to give up. I know that 45 days (tho some posts in the 日本語 の ハウスイング forum seems to suggest that it may be 90 days when 3.1 hits) seems short to some, but it's okay. Change can be difficult to accept, but you may find that you just can't stay away from this game long enough for the timer to elapse. However, the Japanese community is also trying to convince SE to lengthen the time to more than 45 days, due to "business trips" and "hospitalization" reasons ... And as we all know, the devs pay particular attention to the Japanese forums (and, no, I'm not advocating that English speakers attempt to post in the 日本語フォーラム -- unless ofc you are fluent in Japanese -- as it's against forum rules). So, rest assured that feedback is being given on both sides, and that the devs may very well revise their plans.

So, did I convince you to stay?

If not...ummm...can....can I has ur stuffs?

[Ashkendor]

the only reason there's a limit on housing is because of SE's own design. They could have done instanced housing, or they could have done a dynamic system like LOTRO did, but they chose neither. They opted for what we have without any kind of plan to make it sustainable, and now they are punishing the players who have paid and who will pay in the future for their mistake.

I honestly think that they didn't realize how popular personal housing would actually be and made a few other mistakes. I'm sure you've noticed that this game is huge on aesthestics. So the devs had this awesome artistic vision for neighborhoods of people interacting and whatnot, and went to put that into effect. It was working out a bit better when it was restricted to only FC's being able to purchase the houses and I'm of the opinion that it would've worked out better if they'd left it that way and made personal housing instanced. There were, of course, quite a few single-person FC's that snapped up houses; add to that the fact that you can purchase more than one house per account (again, something I'm not sure they thought of) and you've already got housing for far fewer people than initially anticipated. Then you get to the real kicker - dump the fiasco that is personal housing on top of the mess that's already been made by those oversights.

I don't think it's so much a case of "we don't have a plan" as it is "well, we had a plan but it got shot to shit," and now they're left trying to piece together a solution that's going to piss off the smallest number of people. If, for example, they convert all personal housing to instances, everyone that already owns one is most likely going to be unhappy in some way. Continuing to slap more wards up is a band-aid. Purging inactive housing is another band-aid. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though. Band-aids can be good as long as you realize they aren't permanent solutions. They just make the problem a little better in the short-term while you work on a long-term solution.

Let me introduce you to housing in Rift. Dimensions (Instances for housing) where you can build your house LITERALLY piece by piece. I see an outside and garden, you don't?

They can be set to public (among others) and everyone can go there.

Eh. I like the setup we have. The neighborhoods are fun. I get to just walk around and see my neighbors at the same market board I'm visiting, stop and talk to them, etc. The only thing I really dislike about our current system is the lack of sustainability.

[Exosapien]

I still don't understand this whole, "I'm not playing but no one can have what I have while I'm gone" attitude. It's strange. If you can't play the game because of whatever reasons, you probably have more concerning issues to deal with other than if you have a house in a game you can't play. If you're not playing the game because you don't like it, what do you need the house for? If you're taking a break because you have "nothing to do" (a joke in it's own right), then your house isn't really a main attraction for your playtime.

The only thing I see here are people whining that they can't hold onto something that only means they have something other players (who are actually playing) want. It's weird.

[Dree-Elle]

Let me introduce you to housing in Rift. I see an outside and garden, you don't?

They can be set to public and everyone can go there.

Yeah, but how many actually do?

Let's flip this turnways, shall we?

My experience with personal, "instanced" housing: Free Realms. They had an inside, outside, spacious yard, everything. But every exterior looked alike. Every view was the same. Sure, you could set your house to "public", but your instance was just one in a long, long, loooooooong list of identical instances.

Played for over a year. Wanna know how many people actually visited my open, public, instanced house?

ZERO.

Are you sure you want to champion "instanced" housing? Because looking at the track record so far, it would be implemented in the most backwards, halfassed way possible.

In b4 NOT A "REAL" MMO, GTFO

[T2teddy]

People like me are the future of this game, and my attitude about this issue, especially from how many likes I've gotten in the first post, reveals that there's a sound logic behind my conclusion.

People like you? Oh you mean the ones who want to unsub for months on end, thereby showing no loyalty and as little financial support for the company that makes the game they supposedly adore? The game would die in a month if the majority did that.

As for the number of like you have, you ONLY have 28 out of the hundreds or possibly thousands of people who frequent the forums. Brag once you get over 200 ok?

SE needs LOYAL, subscribing customers to keep this game improving. You obviously do not have an interest in helping SE achieve that goal.

I award you the melodrama award of the month, sir.

[Reaperking386]

Let me introduce you to housing in Rift. Dimensions (Instances for housing) where you can build your house LITERALLY piece by piece. I see an outside and garden, you don't?

They can be set to public (among others) and everyone can go there.

Instance housing sucks. I played wow and didn't realize how truly lonely it is when it is a zone housing. The neighborhood system is the main reason I own a house.

[Dre777]

I have personally owned the greatest looking personal large mansion on Jenova server. I demolished it to server hop to a highly populated server for end game raiding. I easily had over $70 mil invested into that mansion. Im a master crafter whos quit crafting because I personally feel I have conquered that aspect of this game. My point is I walked away from it and could care less. This is a mmo and the best part of it is the community. People dont even respect you for have a pad. Its personal but lonely too unless you have a fc to share you house with. So dont be so hard on yourself and enjoy the game. Go smash some ex primals or coils. Find a friendly mature FC with viop and join a static for Alex Savage. If your not in alex savage yet then your not experiencing all the game has to offer.

[T2teddy]

I'm not going to bother checking your numbers, but if those are correct, and everyone buys personal housing that means there's a 28% chance of having access to housing (with FC housing it's considerably higher than that). I'm pretty sure the chances of getting hit by lightning are lower than that. I know way more than 4 people and none of them have been bolted yet. I highly doubt those numbers are correct, because I'm not that optimistic about this working out that well as a solution, but if it is, that would mean there's enough housing on most servers for everyone and the only thing keeping it from being true is inactive housing. Which--again, I don't believe to be the case, but. . .

Maybe make sure the things you're saying are actually supporting your doom and gloom?

Her numbers on the # of lots on a world are correct. As for ACTIVE world population, it varies from 2k to 10k

[kamikrazy]

And yet still, after reading this entire thread today, still I have yet to see anyone defeat my original argument that I clarified and repeated once again here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3383134

You can come up with 6 pages of reasons, but this one point has yet to be beaten. You all are completely fixated on buzz words like "entitlement" and "selfishness" and whatnot, that you aren't thinking clearly about the whole thing. You are letting SE weaponize you and get you to defend them when you should be on one side, demanding for a real fix to the housing sustainability problem. Instead you are being a part of the problem by arguing to keep things broken, instead of arguing to fix things.

Stop being so selfish and self-centered and ask for a longterm fix. You're just letting people use you by agreeing to argue for this. I'm really blown away that you cannot see this.