Thinking this game is a bad investment

[Lemuria]

Your glibness does you no credit. People like me are the future of this game, and my attitude about this issue, especially from how many likes I've gotten in the first post, reveals that there's a sound logic behind my conclusion.

Actually, someone who is so likely to unsubscribe for over two months is most certainly NOT the future of this game. This game needs revenue, which it's not receiving from players who aren't paying.

I'm going to have to be cruel to be kind here. Stop whining. No, seriously. If you're logged off long enough to lose your house, then you aren't enjoying the game anyway and there's no real reason to continue playing. Stop making yourself out to be a martyr for a greater cause, because all you're really doing is denying an actual PAYING customer from chasing that same dream. We paying customers are the future of this game, since our revenue goes towards creating new content, new expansions and keeping these servers in good condition for everyone else.

So for the love of Hydaelyn, will everyone STOP pretending like they're the victims when they're the antagonists.

[Sho86]

because all you're really doing is denying an actual PAYING customer from chasing that same dream.

Actually, that's SE's doing, not an un-subbed gamer. The only thing an un-subbed gamer is doing in this specific housing scenario is making it look a little less 'active' within the community instance. The one denying housing to all players is currently SE since they do not have enough housing for anyone who wants to get one on the spot. If they want to scrap current personal housing, and make it instanced, giving current owners free instanced housing, it would be a fair trade, minus the destructible items that we would lose. This problem was brought on by SE, not by gamers who wait for patches or who actually quit.

[Lemuria]

Actually, that's SE's doing, not an un-subbed gamer. The only thing an un-subbed gamer is doing in this specific housing scenario is making it look a little less 'active' within the community instance. The one denying housing to all players is currently SE since they do not have enough housing for anyone who wants to get one on the spot.

Now you're just arguing semantics. This is the system we currently have, and we all know what this system is. Therefore, if a player is complaining that they can't keep their house indefinitely, despite not paying a dime towards the maintenance of that house, then they are fully aware that they are denying that house to another paying player.

And if they're not aware? Well, historically, ignorance has never been a good excuse.

[Sho86]

Now you're just arguing semantics. This is the system we currently have, and we all know what this system is. Therefore, if a player is complaining that they can't keep their house indefinitely, despite not paying a dime towards the maintenance of that house, then they are fully aware that they are denying that house to another paying player.

And if they're not aware? Well, historically, ignorance has never been a good excuse.

Semantics? The current system was not the originally intended system for personal housing, we all know this, and is currently very flawed. The players did not do this. By your analogy/example/etc, our gear, or mounts, hell even characters should be deleted within 45 days because we're not paying a dime to keep those active when we take a break or quit.

Edit: I suppose a more realistic example would be our retainers, which is currently having 'server issues' itself.

[kamikrazy]

Semantics? The current system was not the originally intended system for personal housing, we all know this, and is currently very flawed. The players did not do this. By your analogy/example/etc, our gear, or mounts, hell even characters should be deleted within 45 days because we're not paying a dime to keep those active when we take a break or quit.

I agree with this response. And would like to add to it:

Remember that all that is necessary for a ward is a set of item names and locations. The amount of data required to host that is incredibly small, likely smaller than the size of a single character's information. If SE's system is so inefficient as to store sets of that data, then they need to improve that system. Its just data storage and nothing more. The only reality is that it is very limited because SE has chosen to make it so because they have chosen that it is not important and not worth more server space, yet they are totally okay with using that same storage space on everything else and never deleting it.

By following this logic, players characters should be deleted after 45 days, and it would be no different on SE's end, and you could still argue the same argument that they "were taking up space that someone else could use." The argument is ridiculous.

I suggest cooling down. You read my post as snide because you seem to be very emotional over the subject. Remember this conversation is about a fake house in a video game.

Don't try to paint me as the emotion one when I'm the one who logically retorted your obviously passive aggressive response. You are the one who stepped out-of-line with your "go play sims, this game isn't for you" line. And your argument of, "don't care, it's just a video game!" is also as tired and old as video games itself. The work you did towards the game is real, even if the game isn't.

1) The housing thing is about allowing people who actually do play to use the housing features of the game. Just because you've been an avid subscriber for however long, it doesn't make you worth more than anyone else to SE if you suddenly quit. Therefore they have to give the incentives to someone who's still there.

2) I don't have a house yet, but I will be getting one whenever the Ishgard wards open up (as I'm assuming they will) and if I stop playing for a few months and lose it, so be it. I get 80% of the purchase gil and most of my furniture back, losing the rest of the stuff is a fair trade for not being a slave to a game that, at the time, I didn't want to play anymore.

3) Committing yourself to an MMO in a way that makes you feel bad when you're not playing is not healthy, and SE's new housing rules has nothing at all to do with that.

1) I've countered this in the very first paragraph of this very post.

2) That's fine for you, but this topic was created as a way to illustrate the logic that an entire demographic of people are going to have. And the majority of people are going to be devastated at the loss of such a difficult to obtain reward, especially when there's basically 0% chance they will ever be able to attain it again. This fear of loss and the pressure to commit to the game forever is what causes 3). It doesn't matter what the object is in life, if you worked hard for it, you don't want to lose it. And knowing that you could lose something you worked hard for will cause many people to just not work towards it at all. In this case, many people will see everything they do in the game as working towards owning a house, and thus will see everything you do in the game pointless because they can never really own the house. They will see it as merely renting it.

And there's a great deal of people in the real world who refuse to rent houses, and see it as a waste of time and money that they could spend towards owning one.

[LaylaTsarra]

Don't try to paint me as the emotion one when I'm the one who logically retorted your obviously passive aggressive response. You are the one who stepped out-of-line with your "go play sims, this game isn't for you" line.

And there were already existing threads on the housing issue on the first page. What you should have done was put your input into one of those instead of creating a special look at me thread about the same issue.

[Elim]

Don't try to paint me as the emotion one when I'm the one who logically retorted your obviously passive aggressive response. You are the one who stepped out-of-line with your "go play sims, this game isn't for you" line.

lol. wat? That's not what I said. XD But this is going in circles, you're clearly upset so I'll stop poking the bear! Have fun with whatever game you decide to play, be it this one or not.

Committing yourself to an MMO in a way that makes you feel bad when you're not playing is not healthy, and SE's new housing rules has nothing at all to do with that.

Agreed.

[Xeonerable_Mizu]

Actually, someone who is so likely to unsubscribe for over two months is most certainly NOT the future of this game. This game needs revenue, which it's not receiving from players who aren't paying.

I'm going to have to be cruel to be kind here. Stop whining. No, seriously. If you're logged off long enough to lose your house, then you aren't enjoying the game anyway and there's no real reason to continue playing. Stop making yourself out to be a martyr for a greater cause, because all you're really doing is denying an actual PAYING customer from chasing that same dream. We paying customers are the future of this game, since our revenue goes towards creating new content, new expansions and keeping these servers in good condition for everyone else.

So for the love of Hydaelyn, will everyone STOP pretending like they're the victims when they're the antagonists.

that has nothing to do with it sorry I can pay my sub for 6 months take 6 or 7 weeks to play other games like fall out 4 dragon age inquisition witcher 3 etc and come back. doesn't make a person any less of a paying subscriber doesn't mean I should lose a large mansion that takes some ppl years to make 40 mil on their own in the course of 6 weeks that's just ridiculous. this is not a viable solution its a band aid and until their is an actual solution this problem wont go away. with a few plots that can still be bought out by the one person the market wont change.

[Ibi]

So for the love of Hydaelyn, will everyone STOP pretending like they're the victims when they're the antagonists.

Pretty sure SE is the antagonist here, and the players, both those who want but don't have houses due to a lack of sufficient resources and those who stand to lose the house they invested time and money into, are the victims.