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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterJointss View Post
    Except he never said there would be no land relinquishing system. He said there wouldn't be a maintenance system. Stop twisting what he said to fit your argument.
    I can't believe how many times I've read stuff along these lines.
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    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.
    Breakdown for you, and everyone else.
    1) Question: Will there be (A) maintenance fess or (B) other costs for housing?
    2) Answer: (A) Older MMOs have house maintenance fees but we decided against it.
    (B) Older MMOs have systems in order to continue your subscription.
    3) Comprehension notes, the use of the word "or" in the Question and "Similarly" in the Answer point to the obvious two-part nature of both.

    This really isn't complicated, it isn't reading between the lines, and it isn't twisting anything. It's basic English, and basic comprehension. I'm trying to break it down to make it clear, but there is really no possibility for ambiguity in this one.
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    Last edited by Neira; 10-22-2015 at 12:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neira View Post
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    Other costs for housing means anything that requires you to pay for a house, which includes maitenence fees. You're hyperanaylizing everything and most likeily stretching/twisting it beyond the meaning of the word.

    If you want to debate the meaning behind maintenance (where you are...well maintaining a healthy status of the house) is still a completely different context of being evicted.

    Or if you want my personal, word-for-word perspective, there is no maintenance fee. You are not paying to maintain the house, and certainly you're not paying to prevent it from being evicted either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    Other costs for housing means anything that requires you to pay for a house, which includes maitenence fees.
    Right... um... ANYTHING that requires you to pay for your house... such as... subscribing? But don't take my word for it, YOSHIDA SAID THE WORD SUBSCRIPTION HIMSELF!
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    You're hyperanaylizing everything and most likeily stretching/twisting it beyond the meaning of the word.
    No, I'm reading, quite plainly, what is right there. Also, what do you mean "most likeily" stretching/twisting? That would imply you are either unable to comprehend what you're reading for yourself or decided not to try. I'm not commenting on anything that is shrouded in secrecy, I'm commenting on a direct quote for all to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    If you want to debate the meaning behind maintenance.
    No, I don't want to debate the word maintenance. It was a TWO PART QUESTION. Even your own first statement...
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    Other costs for housing
    ...indicates that you see both the first question about maintenance and the second question about other costs.
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    Or if you want my personal, word-for-word perspective
    No, in the name of all that is holy, no, I do not. You've shown quite clearly what your perspective is worth.

    This is also the last time I'm responding to this particular topic beyond simply sharing the quote again. I understand that English is not the first language of every user on these forums, and I can't fault everyone for being unable to understand what is being said. However, I'm going to go insane if I keep trying to respond to these comments.
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    Last edited by Neira; 10-22-2015 at 01:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neira View Post
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    This is also the last time I'm responding to this particular topic beyond simply sharing the quote again. I understand that English is not the first language of every user on these forums, and I can't fault everyone for being unable to understand what is being said. However, I'm going to go insane if I keep trying to respond to these comments.
    Then quit doing so. The only person that's trying to exasperate everything (including themselves) over a statement from well over two years ago is yourself. You're trying to overanaylze a statement that was made before housing had even set in and while things change, the statement is not black and white as say "personal housing is different from FC housing" and you're not doing anyone favors by criticizing other people's interpretation like you are now. Everything is open to player interpretation and even then, the developers themselves, time and time again, even contradiction themselves (sometimes with a two year statement, sometime as early as a month) that it's hard to take everything they say for face value.
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 10-22-2015 at 01:23 AM.
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