Reclamation of Inactive Housing announced

[Fyce]

People who managed to get a plot get punished if something happens out of their control that prevents them from accessing their house. People who own a plot did not make this flawed system. People celebrate this punishment as if it's going to magically fix the core problem. Only seen on the OF. I giggled irl too.

There are dozens of FC filled with ten times more people who can't get a house, but the comfort of a single individual who's unlucky enough to meet all these criteria to see his estate demolished is more important.

"That guy fell head first and is now in a coma for six months! He should have his house still here when he comes back!"
You're right, that's obviously an everyday concern and a big issue in the system if this guy doesn't get his virtual house back.

Priorities.

[Seryl199]

and these people dont need houses.... period.

Not to mention how can you regularly play while taking 60-80 day breaks..smh

They absolutely do deserve houses. It's none of my business how someone else consumes content or how frequently they consume it, but if housing is one such piece of content they want, they should be able to experience it. It's only because of the system's limitations that I'm in favor of putting housing in the hands of subscribers giving over the most money. To think that those are the only players deserving of housing is selfish, and stifles any desire for the system to grow to actually accomodate more than one type of subscriber.

[Raxxon]

My FC saved up for a large house when housing prices were announced and around the time plots had fallen to ~50% we could afford one. We go in the house and afk, craft, hang out, sign up for DF, mend our gear or use the retainers all the time. We redecorate it if new housing items come out or we get bored of the look inside. We get a lot of use out of it.

When they added additional wards I bought my own personal house since I had some gil saved up and nothing to really spend it on. I managed to snag a small in The Goblet in a nice spot. Like many others here I didn't go to my personal house that often after decorating it and I completely understand why they don't, there wasn't much need to (for me) when my FC already had a large so instead I gave it away to an LS member that I knew had been struggling to get the money for a house together. I knew that even if he did get the gil for the plot itself he'd need even more for the relinquishing fee most people charge. He barely had the gil for the plot itself so I gave him the deed I got back when demolishing and now his FC has a house with airships to play around with and he'll get a lot more use out of it than I would have.

45 days is plenty of time to log in once and go in your house. If you're too bored to even log in once in over a month, why do you need a house? You obviously don't use it and someone else could get more enjoyment out of it. There are plenty of houses in my ward that are sitting there unused (one is just a plot with no house and has been there for months) and it's completely fair to have a timer when it's such a rare thing.

I understand that some people will have to stop playing for over 45 days (could be ISP screwing up your internet so you can't log in even if you wanted) but this is a necessary feature due to all the inactives with houses. Some of them will never be used again and it's better to put the timer in than have them sit there unused.

[RiceisNice]

Fine. This actually sounds reasonable. A reasonable housing solution would therefore be to add a new housing system that is scalable to the entire player base that will make the old housing less desirable.

Of course that would be the end-all solution. We keep hearing SE saying how their problem is on their server-load. Even then, I don't recall them ever saying that this (eviction of inactive players) is the end-all situation to housing, but that it'll eventually be implemented to alleviate some housing issues. Specifically the players who own houses and don't even play the game anymore or honestly be assed to find a way to log in for one minute in a 45 day period.

[Xerius]

"That guy fell head first and is now in a coma for six months! He should have his house still here when he comes back!"
You're right, that's obviously an everyday concern and a big issue in the system if this guy doesn't get his virtual house back.
Priorities.

I applaud your ability to disassemble your very own straw-man argument.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

When the lead developer of the game specifically states "we're not going to have a system like this", most reasonable people would probably say that's a scenario that's never going to happen also.

I'd say it's bad business sense to delete any part of a players efforts in a game, rather than finding an alternative solution.

I'm pretty sure he meant no maintenance fees, and the house wouldn't start turning into a run down looking pile of junk (aka breaking down), not that you would never lose the house. Especially considering that this system was supposed to go into play when housing was launched originally.

[SinisterJointss]

When the lead developer of the game specifically states "we're not going to have a system like this", most reasonable people would probably say that's a scenario that's never going to happen also.

Except he never said there would be no land relinquishing system. He said there wouldn't be a maintenance system. Stop twisting what he said to fit your argument.

[SinisterJointss]

They absolutely do deserve houses. It's none of my business how someone else consumes content or how frequently they consume it, but if housing is one such piece of content they want, they should be able to experience it. It's only because of the system's limitations that I'm in favor of putting housing in the hands of subscribers giving over the most money. To think that those are the only players deserving of housing is selfish, and stifles any desire for the system to grow to actually accomodate more than one type of subscriber.

I didnt say they didnt deserve a house. I said they dont need one, which still stands. If they arent playing the game on a regular basis then what in sam hell do they need a house for? They dont. The plot would better serve someone who actually plays the game. To say that its selfish for someone who actually plays to get the house over someone who plays 3 months out of the year is mind boggling

[Fyce]

I applaud your ability to disassemble your very own straw-man argument.

Thank you, it's called sarcasm.

People are arguing against a system by bringing very rare and hypothetical situations on the table. I think that going cynical strawman against that kind of argument isn't a bad choice since they are completly unreasonable to begin with.

[Ashkendor]

Fine, since you can't get over the specifics of the example to focus on the actual point:

If you tried to log on tomorrow and SE had deleted all your glamour items/companions/mounts/titles/achievements, would your reaction be "Well, I agreed to the TOS that said they could, so that's fine"?

To be fair, the specifics in the examples you're giving are hugely different from what you're trying to compare them to, thus making them rather poor examples. You're trying to make an argument with "well what if you logged in tomorrow to find x gone?" when the housing system gives 45 days along with several notifications that the housing is going to be reclaimed. There's not much of a correlation to be drawn there. Just up and deleting some random thing overnight for no reason at all hardly seems reasonable, but 45 days along with several notices does.

You say this now. Wait until you purchase a private estate and furnish it and then realize there's rarely ever a reason to enter your house once the novelty wears off.

What? I use mine all the time. I'm in it once a day at the very least, and that's on days I'm mostly afk. Most days I'm in it several times a day because it's a nice one-stop shop when I'm doing things like hitting a bunch of big fish back to back. Teleport to house, mail big fish to my friend for desynth, go inside, empty inventory of junk fish at the shopkeeper, swap baits from my retainer, teleport out. I have an armoire, an FC chest, and a garden plot there too and it's only steps away from a market board. Yes I have all this at the FC estate too, but that's in Lavender Beds and my personal house is in the Goblet so I'll use either/or depending on which teleport is closest. Not to mention it's nice to just have a quiet place to craft when I don't feel very social. I use the gardening plot constantly in conjunction with the 2 at the FC house. I really enjoy redecorating occasionally, and I also put my character to bed when I go afk to sleep, either at my personal house or at the FC house.