Please Remove or Repurpose Parry

[Dhex]

Ideally they start making Job locked sets with more/new stats catering to each Job's flavor rather than what we have now; Job locked gear would allow for them to add more stat complexity without making it too confusing for people.

Example being:

Paladin specific gear begins to add extra Block benefits, Fast Casting, Physical damage reduction, and TP cost reduction.

Dark Knight specific gear introduces extra HP/Drain benefits, MP refresh effects, Magic damage reduction, and Parry bonuses.

Warrior specific gear introduces additional stacks bonuses, HP regen effects, and Attack speed bonuses.


What this does is gives each Job a more established style and benefits their unique tool kits and new ways to balance Jobs without having to nerf, buff, or cater content to them.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Ideally they start making Job locked sets with more/new stats catering to each Job's flavor rather than what we have now; Job locked gear would allow for them to add more stat complexity without making it too confusing for people.

Example being:

Paladin specific gear begins to add extra Block benefits, Fast Casting, Physical damage reduction, and TP cost reduction.

Dark Knight specific gear introduces extra HP/Drain benefits, MP refresh effects, Magic damage reduction, and Parry bonuses.

Warrior specific gear introduces additional stacks bonuses, HP regen effects, and Attack speed bonuses.


What this does is gives each Job a more established style and benefits their unique tool kits and new ways to balance Jobs without having to nerf, buff, or cater content to them.

That is..... Wow. That is a great idea all around.

[Callidus]

While I like the idea of unique gear that would lead to more choices and situational gearing options, I think some of the specific examples in Dhex's post above would widen the existing disparities between the tank jobs. The last thing we want is double down the design mentality that WARs are the high DPS tanks, DRKs are the magic tanks, and PLDs are the physical tanks with bad DPS. We have some significant balance issues already without adding job specific gear with more highly desirable DPS enhancing bonuses for WAR and/or DRK and more mediocre-at-best physical damage reduction bonuses for PLD.

An abundance of caution is in order when considering job-specific changes, otherwise we will end up with more content where certain jobs with the same role are required or excluded based on the specific encounter. The goal should always be for all jobs of a given role to be able clear all content at similar item and skill levels, with the specializations providing some minor bonuses in their respective areas.

As long as the bonuses are very carefully thought out, I think this idea could enhance the unique flavor of each job without introducing significant balance issues.

[Ralvenom]

Ideally they start making Job locked sets with more/new stats catering to each Job's flavor rather than what we have now; Job locked gear would allow for them to add more stat complexity without making it too confusing for people.

Example being:

Paladin specific gear begins to add extra Block benefits, Fast Casting, Physical damage reduction, and TP cost reduction.

Dark Knight specific gear introduces extra HP/Drain benefits, MP refresh effects, Magic damage reduction, and Parry bonuses.

Warrior specific gear introduces additional stacks bonuses, HP regen effects, and Attack speed bonuses.


What this does is gives each Job a more established style and benefits their unique tool kits and new ways to balance Jobs without having to nerf, buff, or cater content to them.

Not a bad idea. Kind of reminds me of WoW's class gear sets, which were pretty cool most of the time.

[Duelle]

Not a bad idea. Kind of reminds me of WoW's class gear sets, which were pretty cool most of the time.

I could see some of those as set bonuses, but not actual stats on gear.

PLD set bonuses would be something like:

2-piece: Increases casting speed by 15%
4-piece: Using Rage of Halone in a combo places "Fury's Blessing" on you, reducing TP cost of abilities by X for 20s.

You'd probably have to design set bonuses on an expansion-to-expansion basis rather than tier by tier. If only to make things easier to balance (since past a certain ilevel you'd be balancing the tanks around certain set bonuses).

[EnumeratingWishes]

Honestly I just want to be a tank again, not a glorified dps taking damage.
I don't care whether they also make parry a counter-attack but as previously mentioned the stat holds too little weight.

[karateorangutang]

Ideally they start making Job locked sets with more/new stats catering to each Job's flavor rather than what we have now; Job locked gear would allow for them to add more stat complexity without making it too confusing for people.

Example being:

Paladin specific gear begins to add extra Block benefits, Fast Casting, Physical damage reduction, and TP cost reduction.

Dark Knight specific gear introduces extra HP/Drain benefits, MP refresh effects, Magic damage reduction, and Parry bonuses.

Warrior specific gear introduces additional stacks bonuses, HP regen effects, and Attack speed bonuses.


What this does is gives each Job a more established style and benefits their unique tool kits and new ways to balance Jobs without having to nerf, buff, or cater content to them.

You mean.... horizontal progression?

You be crazy

[Syzygian]

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I'm suprised how many people are lauding this idea, when it basically gives one tank more dps and the others more mitigation, the former being prized above all else and the latter being near-useless. Give war more damage and pld/drk more parry and block? I'll pass.

It only really serves to exacerbate the imbalance. Unique job specific secondaries are a nice idea but they must be able to perform equally.

[Ralvenom]

I could see some of those as set bonuses, but not actual stats on gear.

Yeah, that makes more sense. The only thing is, I'm not sure SE would ever do this. Why? Because then people would go, "THEY'RE COPYING WOW! I CALL BS!". And that would be a giant sh*tstorm...

I'm suprised how many people are lauding this idea, when it basically gives one tank more dps and the others more mitigation, the former being prized above all else and the latter being near-useless.

I think the basic examples were just rough examples intended to show what Dhex meant, not actual examples meant to balance things.

The idea itself has merit, but I don't see it actually happening, tbh.

[Kuwagami]

I'm suprised how many people are lauding this idea, when it basically gives one tank more dps and the others more mitigation, the former being prized above all else and the latter being near-useless. Give war more damage and pld/drk more parry and block? I'll pass.

It only really serves to exacerbate the imbalance. Unique job specific secondaries are a nice idea but they must be able to perform equally.

it would make sense in a game where there aren't tight enrage timers, and more big slaps to the face every time. Go safe and win slower, but with more ease, or go all out and suffer the risk of a wipe because the boss wrecked you a bit too hard.

In current FFxiv though, not so much