The issue nobody wants to address

[Ryel]

I think the obvious retort is along the lines of what makes you think those same people would actually try with a parser though? I mean, we are talking about the same mental process of mouth breathers that queue for PvP, "AFK", get called out on it, and proudly express their intent to just do nothing to get their reward. Shaming these intentionally lazy people does literally nothing to them lol. You can't exactly call a GM to get involved because someone did too little DPS. The kick option is also there.

Shaming a player and holding them accountable for their role are not the same thing.

You can point out that a players DPS is low without being a jerk about it, however the game currently offers no systems to actually verify / prove this as a DPS, unlike tanks and healers whose performance is laid bare.

The community has no issue kicking under-performing tanks / healers for not meeting the bare minimum bar of performance for content because we can see when they aren't, yet for a DPS this is not the case on an individual basis.

PGs are there to help you learn how to play your role to competency (not how to push out min/max numbers). It, without looking at any other variable, is a tool that is all-around helpful. Absolutely no negative consequence to it being there, as far as the benefits go. You understand this, obviously. The min/max area is basically the dummies along with parsers, which we currently have access to (this includes console players). Believe it or not, you're not going to be banned for using a parser, despite popular scare tactics. If that were to happen, quite a number of users who post pictures/vids/live-streams would have been long gone. Telling someone they have low DPS and need to improve to clear said content will not get your banned. In the case of a roulette, your options are there. Kick someone, provide advice without being a douche, or leave. PUGs are PUGs. It's not like games that do support parsers, officially or not, are immune to bad players. I dare say they're equal, if not worse, in ratio. So your options would again, even with it official, be exactly the same.

This is where you're missing the point, not a single pro parser argument has brought up min/maxing. It is completely irrelevant to the conversation, nobody cares about DPS in Ex roulette doing over and above the minimum, the reality however is that there are large numbers of players not even hitting the minimum.

This is not a community bar of performance, the game has DPS checks that need to be met, just because those DPS checks are "easy" doesn't make them non-existent, especially when players are failing them.

All a proving ground does it prove that you're competent at clearing the proving ground, once again the PG in WoW exists in an environment where public parsers are accepted and supported, so you can get live per-content feedback on the skills you've practiced in training. If that weren't the case the PG wouldn't actually do anything.

I'm all for parsers but you folks need to stop putting it on some pedestal as though it's a magic cure to bad players. With it official or not, your options are literally the exact same.

And this is the second time you've missed the point, so much so to the degree that i'm wondering if you've actually read most of the replies in the thread.

I know i personally have said multiple times that not a single pro-parse argument is making that case, in fact the argument if anything has been about mitigation and accountability.

I'll even quote it with a slight edit for context.

During almost every update one of the EX roulette dungeons at one point or another has had some form of a DPS check.

My position from the get go is that all content has a bar of performance that needs to be met. Just because the bar is far lower in dungeons doesn't mean that the bar doesn't exist and we have vast numbers of players not even reaching that bar. Those players would benefit greatly from a public parsing tool.

Players keep making posts trying to make it seem like anyone pro-parser is hailing it as this magic fix-all that will solve all of the problems with players not meeting content checks or performing in parties when the reality is what nearly every pro parser argument has been saying is that it will mitigate the issue at best. It will also place DPS jobs on equal footing for accountability and feedback as tank and healer jobs, something that is massively imbalanced as far as the community is concerned.

Console players who are unable to get feedback for their DPS would be able to.

Players who are completely unaware of how well they are or aren't doing and wish to improve would now have a tool of measurement to go by.

Players who simply don't care and willingly hold back parties will likely be removed from them.

That post is 8 pages ago.

Additionally talking about third party application use in game is technically a bannable offense, hence why Yoshida's stance is basically that as a software development company they cannot condone their use.

Something that once again was already posted in this thread:

GE: Recently, there has been noise from players about parsers, mods and third-party applications being used with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and about people getting warned, suspended or even banned by GMs for using such applications. There was also mention of a plug-in API for the game. We were wondering what the policy was, your stance on it, and how you were approaching these issues. Some players are a bit worried and don’t want to get banned.

Yoshida: This is a very difficult question to answer. We are first and foremost a software company, and as a software company we cannot really approve of anyone modifying our product in any way. We would prefer it if everyone played within the original design of the software, otherwise we can’t really guarantee the quality of the product itself. Officially, the policy is that any additions or modification to the game are against the rules and privacy policy and when playing our game, everyone has to have gone through the steps to agree to the Terms and Conditions when you sign up.

However, I too am a hardcore PC gamer so I understand that there are a lot of plug-ins and add-ons available to many games. So as a PC gamer, all I can really say is “Please, don’t get caught.” If you are going to use add-ons and plug-ins please be discrete about it. Don’t go around telling your friends you mod the game on chat, or ask a GM if using such an add-on is ok. We can’t really go around and check if add-ons and plug-ins will work with our game and debug it, and check that it doesn’t break anything – its too much. Really what it comes down to is I can’t really say “Yes” to these things, and players have to realize that by using an application that accesses game files that they are the ones that are assuming the risk of viruses and possibly compromising their account.

And as you probably know, Final Fantasy XI had a particularly strict policy on this kind of thing, so there are quite a few players out there who moved from XI to XIV who definitely view any kind of add-on to the game as bad. So please, just be discrete if you will be using tools or add-ons.

Source:http://gamerescape.com/2014/02/12/ps...naoki-yoshida/

Why don't YouTube videos of clears and screenshots with parses flag this?

Because GMs as a rule do not use sources outside of the game to ban players due to their unreliability.

Someone can go into AfterEffects and add a layer on top of a video that looks like a parser, screenshots can be edited in photoshop to include parse overlays and who would be the wiser? It just doesn't fly for account suspension, but talking about them in-game is another story entirely.