The issue nobody wants to address

[Misutoraru]

Parsers are useful to those who can understand them in context. Those people already use them. Force feeding the tool down every players throats is a bad idea in general. It only promotes toxicity in the community in my opinion.

tbh it wont solve the problem at all
say minimum gear lv are reach
if just wrong rotation or mess up during fight
they would eventually get it right, with or without it
for those plain lazy, given them number, they will just remain lazy

i use to enjoy a MMO
until the meter become so popular
the game community have change into hell
yes, there are player using it properly
but there are tons of players using it as a tool to mock, shame other ppl in the community

i have been playing SWTOR for ages and never using one of those meter after the horrible experience
i have tank, i have heal and i have dps in SWTOR, and i m doing perfectly fine


and yes it is a horrible and bad design when dungeon relied on DPS check
so if you using it, i m perfectly fine
but i do not hope it make into game officially
i dont do raid in FFXIV, i have no idea how many bad player you have met
when i run dungeon, i did see bad tank, bad healer, bad dps in Duty Finder
the chance i meeting 1 are very slim, and i honestly never meet 1 intentionally draw a party back
i met inexperience players, we wipe, but we discuss what goes wrong, and we try again

so if it is going to make into game, leave it in raid only
and no matter what
i wont change my mind after experiencing those horror
yes, i m sentimental and rather carry another player than seeing the "white terror" destroy the game i love again

[Archaell]

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Why is your character so cute? It's really making it hard to disagree with you ^.^

You are saying that lazy people will remain lazy. That's not entirely true. If you get enough group kicks for being lazy, then you might reconsider continuing your actions. Some will not change, some will.

The main issue with laziness, except for using others to get carried, is that the devs start considering nerfs and after that they just focus on easy content which can be done undersized. Wouldn't you say that this is also destroying games? I am getting mocked on regular basis by my friends that this game is the most casual MMO in existence... so they don't even try it. I don't blame them tho. The game is casual, but too much of it may discourage new players.

Now if the players were more willing to improve, the game could get a little bit more challenging, which could bring new players and lead to additional prosperity. The issue is that players expect to clear content that is beyond their skill, which they could finish fine if they put some effort in it. I don't see how this is good for the game.

[Misutoraru]

Why is your character so cute? It's really making it hard to disagree with you ^.^
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first, thank you

i do not agree making dungeon challenging by increasing boss HP or adding DPS check

actually i care more about the storyline /background story of each dungeon than challenging or not

i think the right way of challenging is not how hard you can hit the boss, but the do the right thing at the right time

for example i love the fight for Dragon neck, there are no DPS check, but doing the right move

again, i m not against a meter for personal use, but i do object it become official

i can only say my experience told me when it become prevalent, the harm it does are far greater than the good

i m not trying to change anyone mind, i wasnt even planning to involve in this thread until my fear of those dark dates will appear again

and i wont change my mind either, just show my support with Jynx, and kind of express my feeling about it