The issue nobody wants to address

[Kosmos992k]

I'm autistic(high function) and I can do atleast 90% of my class's maximum potential across 5 jobs and do end game raiding. I'm also very pro parser and hate all these lazy scrubs I've been carrying since 2.0.

I'm happy for you that you are capable of so much. I've worked with people with autism (allover the specturm of severity and symptom), CP, neuropathy, anxiety, and OCD among other issues; I'm extremely well aware of the range in capabilty, and especially in dealing with social interaction. The vast majority of the people I have met or worked with in this regard have difficulty dealing with any social interactions that are even remotely confrontational, and some won't interact beyond superficial greetings and pleasantries, and that is among those who will interact socially at all. The point being, everybody has different capability both in terms of playing and in terms of interacting.

It's great that you are able to cope with and overcome the challenges of life with Autism. Please also note that most people haven't got a clue that Autism is a specrtum disorder that ranges in both symptom and severity, and therefore many people don't understand that your experience isn't typical of Autism in general and is not typical of others.

BTW calling people lazy scrubs is really not a very tolerant way to behave, and considering how most people in general treat kids with any developmental disability, and the words that they use to describe them, I'm disappointed to see you using that kind of language.

[Kosmos992k]

The funny thing is people think the terrible dps are just poor uniformed souls who just need to be forced to see how bad they are. Parsers would magically solve the problems of terrible people in duty finder.

The reality: almost nobody you see that's a bad dps tank or healer with a bad attitude cares what you think about their rotation or parse numbers. They are using the duty finder and mashing to victory because they know there is little to no back blow to not doing your job.

Exactly the core issue. Ignoring the numbers element of this all, if you consider Duty Finder and grouping in general, the lack of feedback in the form of a reputation is a problem that covers many dimensions. If we had a reputation that others could see, then the consequences of our actions or inaction would matter. As it is with data center based DF the odds are that if you deliberately troll a group in DF, the largest and most permanent consequence will be getting kicked. Of course a system with both up and down votes is open to abuse, which is why we have commendations only.

However, commendations alone don't serve as a way of representing reputaion. Nor do they convey anything about capabilty in particular. What if after every DF run each player had a survey regarding others in the party and could award positive votes for general attitude and skill level. What is missing though is to know the scale of the vote. For example a player who ran 100 DF runs and got 50 positives would have the same apparent reputation as someone who had done 1000 runs andngot only 50 positives. So a reputaion score would need to be based on the number of positive votes weighted by the number of runs yhose votes were received over.

To combat apathy, give anyone that completes the server an extra tome as an incentive. Also, give two options, neutral feed back and positive, so that people won't just vote positive by default. This would ultimately need to be a scorethat was visible when people inspect or search for your character. It would become a reputation score for attitude and skill that follows you, even if you fantasia, change names and move servers, you repuation becomes a permanent thing that follows you. Negative votes are not part of this, they can be abused, and only runing content in DF contribute to your reputation.

This way, people might have an incentive to pay attention and not misbehave because there would be a consequence that we currently lack.

Parsers are useful to those who can understand them in context. Those people already use them. Force feeding the tool down every players throats is a bad idea in general. It only promotes toxicity in the community in my opinion.

Agreed 110%.

[Anemone_Valesti]

I'm autistic(high function) and I can do atleast 90% of my class's maximum potential across 5 jobs and do end game raiding. I'm also very pro parser and hate all these lazy scrubs I've been carrying since 2.0.

I read the Bold and in all seriousness Im like " Alright Awesome! its great to see people who push forwards and overcome their obstacles with rising to the challenge. You should be a shining example to many "

Then I read the Underline and shake my head, question the last bit of my words, as well as other stuff...No one likes carrying but still come on lol

That conflict is real. Still Kudos

[Whiteroom]

I've noticed multiple problems when I pay attention to under performing players.

6. Failure to move at all.(Positionals and hazard zone avoidance)

LOL three BLMs in A1 today. 3 people getting hit with Photon Spaser...
Also, what are Alarums...

[Archaell]

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There is nothing wrong with hating players that has been exploiting him. It might be even considered formidable that he decided to express the opinion instead of bowing his head and carrying them on in silence.

Personally I would frown myself if he called somebody "lazy scrub", but he isn't calling anybody names, he is being descriptive. "Lazy scrubs" means exactly that - lazy scrubs. Nobody else can get offended. Not to mention that "scrub" is still quite mild word in comparison to really hateful alternatives that some players like to use.

[Whiteroom]

Parsers are useful to those who can understand them in context. Those people already use them. Force feeding the tool down every players throats is a bad idea in general. It only promotes toxicity in the community in my opinion.

Agreed 110%.

Really? You agree with this 110%, because three of the four statements made here are objectively false.

Parsers are useful to those who can understand them in context.

Well, no, parsers are more useful to those who understand the context. They are still useful as very rough numbers to those who don't. And can be used to help those who don't understand them.

Those people already use them.

Ummm... console players....

It only promotes toxicity in the community in my opinion.

The only thing they do is promote toxicity? The simple fact that they are a tool says the opposite. The only use for them is toxicity? So you must be one of the ones who doesn't understand the context?

The last part, not objective but subjectively for sure:

Force feeding the tool down every players throats is a bad idea in general.

Force feeding? does that mean everything in game is force feed? It's not like you have to use it. Others will use it if you are holding the team from completing the objective, but look at it this way, if you aren't completing the objective, what does it matter if the team moves on and completes it without you? Or, must everyone fail because you can't complete it?
Or are you taking it that forcing the tool on the players is what creates toxicity? Well that would only create toxicity from players who didn't want it, wouldn't it? Players like yourself?

[Darkobra]

It seems like all of your problems can be sorted out by not pugging or not taking this game as a serious one. It's a casual game. They throw gear and levels right at you. Nothing's earned, everything's given.

[Eye_Gore]

Nothing's earned, everything's given.

Hmm could enlighten us as to how you had everything given to you while doing nothing? Last time I logged in and just stood there all I got was "updating your status to away from keyboard".

[Archaell]

They throw gear and levels right at you. Nothing's earned, everything's given.

Hmm could enlighten us as to how you had everything given to you while doing nothing? Last time I logged in and just stood there all I got was "updating your status to away from keyboard".

In his defense, the game might feel like that when one doesn't mind getting carried. ^.^

[Misutoraru]

Parsers are useful to those who can understand them in context. Those people already use them. Force feeding the tool down every players throats is a bad idea in general. It only promotes toxicity in the community in my opinion.

tbh it wont solve the problem at all
say minimum gear lv are reach
if just wrong rotation or mess up during fight
they would eventually get it right, with or without it
for those plain lazy, given them number, they will just remain lazy

i use to enjoy a MMO
until the meter become so popular
the game community have change into hell
yes, there are player using it properly
but there are tons of players using it as a tool to mock, shame other ppl in the community

i have been playing SWTOR for ages and never using one of those meter after the horrible experience
i have tank, i have heal and i have dps in SWTOR, and i m doing perfectly fine


and yes it is a horrible and bad design when dungeon relied on DPS check
so if you using it, i m perfectly fine
but i do not hope it make into game officially
i dont do raid in FFXIV, i have no idea how many bad player you have met
when i run dungeon, i did see bad tank, bad healer, bad dps in Duty Finder
the chance i meeting 1 are very slim, and i honestly never meet 1 intentionally draw a party back
i met inexperience players, we wipe, but we discuss what goes wrong, and we try again

so if it is going to make into game, leave it in raid only
and no matter what
i wont change my mind after experiencing those horror
yes, i m sentimental and rather carry another player than seeing the "white terror" destroy the game i love again