Lets nerf WAR :D

[PheonixCain]

i couldn't deny ur stand points but also very unwilling to agree with...

i don't main tank, but i do play a lot of tank role outside of raid, mainly WAR. this doesnt mean i dont like the other two tanks, it's just that WAR is best among them atm and make things much easier for me.

indeed it's too op, and also close to the best job in this game right now, turning down a notch sounds reasonable, but i dont like none of ur suggestions tho.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

indeed it's too op

See... People like you make my brain hurt. WAR is not OP...

How are you going to, literally in the same post, say you dont use the other two tanks and don't understand them and then go on to say that WAR is overpowered?

[Freyyy]

WAR is definitely not OP. WAR is just representative of how well every job in the game should be designed but aren't. It's currently the only job in the game where everything works completely good and doesn't need any tweaks. They absolutely don't need a nerf, devs should take the work they did with WAR as an example to balance the other jobs.

[SpookyGhost]

WAR is definitely not OP. WAR is just representative of how well every job in the game should be designed but aren't. It's currently the only job in the game where everything works completely good and doesn't need any tweaks. They absolutely don't need a nerf, devs should take the work they did with WAR as an example to balance the other jobs.

Yep. But instead it seems like everyone wants us to suffer with them instead. :'(

[Kuwagami]

Yep. But instead it seems like everyone wants us to suffer with them instead. :'(

That's the usual forum logic 101. It's easier to ask for a nerf of a good class than to think about balanced improvements on lackluster classes

[Duelle]

People like you make my brain hurt. WAR is not OP...

How are you going to, literally in the same post, say you dont use the other two tanks and don't understand them and then go on to say that WAR is overpowered?

How about taking it from someone who leveled all three tanks? Defense-wise it's not that bad. The job is built around active mitigation and some self-healing.

Damage-wise the job is OP. Largely because tank DPS has not been kept on a leash and instead is used as an element to differentiate the tanks (instead of using mechanics and gameplay like games with actually balanced tanks do). Utility does play a role as well, since Storm's Path is universally useful and that slashing debuff is very useful as well.

WAR is just representative of how well every job in the game should be designed but aren't. It's currently the only job in the game where everything works completely good and doesn't need any tweaks. They absolutely don't need a nerf, devs should take the work they did with WAR as an example to balance the other jobs.

Sorry, but I'd rather PLD remain a traditional MMO tank instead of becoming a WAR clone. I mean hey, if you want to buff PLD DPS to WAR level while giving us our own version of Storm's Path plus a slashing debuff AND leaving the rest of our abilities and cooldowns alone, go for it. I do highly doubt something like that would happen, though.

[SpookyGhost]

I actually have a sort of related question:

If, instead of buffing WAR in 2.1, they nerfed PLD to 2.0 WAR levels, would everyone have been alright with that?

[Freyyy]

Sorry, but I'd rather PLD remain a traditional MMO tank instead of becoming a WAR clone. I mean hey, if you want to buff PLD DPS to WAR level while giving us our own version of Storm's Path plus a slashing debuff AND leaving the rest of our abilities and cooldowns alone, go for it. I do highly doubt something like that would happen, though.

I never said anything about making it a WAR clone. I was stating that the developpers have done a wonderful work in balancing WAR and they obviously didn't put the same efforts in balancing the other jobs (and I'm not even only speaking about the tanks). They should.

[RapBreon]

I actually have a sort of related question:

If, instead of buffing WAR in 2.1, they nerfed PLD to 2.0 WAR levels, would everyone have been alright with that?

Coil was a bit harder for tanks than Alexander I think. Being said, the fights were doable in the early weeks (minus Godtania) with a WAR if your healers and tanks were gods. This does assume of course the PLD is still a beast. 2x WAR wasn't really viable as the healers need the breathing space created by a PLD.

So if 2.0 WAR was a tiny bit stronger (and PLD was at that level), I would be ok with it. Harder end-game content is always good with me.

[Violette]

Just saying, coming from 1.XX where Warrior's were god's and gladiators were better tanks than paladins......don't nerf paladins again. I still wake up at nights imagining my 1.0 paladin was tanking ifrit.... and getting rekt.