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    Hengen_Kaosu's Avatar
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    Hengen Kaosu
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    The basis of your argument is flawed: the reason for the pld/war drk/war pairing is because WAR was designed as a great OT class, and pld/drk were designed as MT classes. It isn't a matter of 3 tanks competing for 2 slots, it's 2 MT classes competing for a MT slot, and one OT class given the OT slot. By the same logic I could call BRD and MCN overpowered. What will eventually balance it out, is when a 2nd offtank comes in (bluemage please? this would make me love tanking). That all being said, Optimal class comp is not needed, and hasn't been needed for weeks at this point, if you're not going for server firsts, go ahead and go PLD/DRK or even PLD/PLD.

    Quick edit inb4 someone comments about my levels: the reason my PLD is 56 is because I was leveling it first, I like it better, but another in my group already had 60 in it, and his WAR was far behind; I trained my war up to fill the OT slot for my static. Also: the MT also leveled DRK, we couldn't pass with him on it, so we went back to PLD/WAR, I would still say DRK is the black sheep for many (and not PLD).
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    Last edited by Hengen_Kaosu; 10-05-2015 at 02:30 AM.

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    Donjo's Avatar
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hengen_Kaosu View Post
    The basis of your argument is flawed: the reason for the pld/war drk/war pairing is because WAR was designed as a great OT class, and pld/drk were designed as MT classes...
    People keep saying this. That Paladin is supposed to be a MT. I'm actually tempted to look at their utility and argue the opposite. WAR and DRK have utility that directly target and debuff individual enemies. WAR doesn't much care where it is, but DRK has a utility debuff that requires MT status to successfully execute. Therefore, they're more suited to getting hit in the face. Paladin, on the other hand, has all of these little abilities that(with the exception of Halone) directly target either themselves or other party members to provide some sort of benefit.

    As a MT

    - Spells are difficult to cast without interruption
    - Rarely close enough to a party member to properly be in Cover range without moving/turning the boss
    - On the other side of the boss in comparison to other party members, making Divine Veil use questionable
    - Forced to use Halone combo. For Paladin, using the hate combo incurs a larger DPS loss than the other two.

    As an OT

    - Spells can be cast with minimal fear of interruption
    - It is always safe to approach a party member to use Cover
    - On the side of the boss where everybody else is, making Divine Veil use easier
    - Can freely use Royal Authority, bringing overall damage closer in line to everyone else

    Paladin can only get the most out of its kit if it is being OT. The moral of the story here is that people should probably stop pidgeonholing Warrior into OT so hard and toss Paladin in there more often. In PLD/WAR, WAR is ideal MT. In DRK/WAR, DRK is ideal MT. in DRK/PLD, DRK is ideal MT. The reign of the great and venerable Paladin MT has ended.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hengen_Kaosu View Post
    The basis of your argument is flawed: the reason for the pld/war drk/war pairing is because WAR was designed as a great OT class, and pld/drk were designed as MT classes.
    Yeah and that's exactly why Yoshi P already said numerous times that he wants all tanks to be as viable as the others in both MT and OT spots.

    No, tanks in this game aren't designed to be OT or MT. Devs want them to be able to do both, but they fail to properly balance them. That's all.
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