Lets nerf WAR :D

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Hoho, let the flame war start.

A) Do warriors have a hard time holding aggro without damage buff?

B) Who ever said anything about needed?

B) The concept of idea can never be dumb, it can only be conflicting. Like how it'll make you feel like lesser of a man perhaps, but it'll also get rid of ALOT of assholes from the community.

And before you say it, if a content require tanks to punch out certain amount of dps, either the Devs screwed up, or your dps screwed up.

A. What does that have anything to do with nerfing the ever loving fuck out of a classes DPS?

B. You have two Bs. Alphabet much bro?

B (number 2). Ideas can 100% be dumb. If you need proof just look over your idea to INSANLY nerf WAR for pretty much no reason, than saying that it would "solve" some problem (what problem would this solve?)

(what should be) C. Bro... Do you even Savage?

[thunderbreak]

A. What does that have anything to do with nerfing the ever loving fuck out of a classes DPS?

B. You have two Bs. Alphabet much bro?

B (number 2). Ideas can 100% be dumb. If you need proof just look over your idea to INSANLY nerf WAR for pretty much no reason, than saying that it would "solve" some problem (what problem would this solve?)

(what should be) C. Bro... Do you even Savage?

Thanks for pointing out the typo.

Everything you mentioned I've addressed, I've given a legit reason to nerf, a reason that's affecting the community's overall experience with egotistic and toxic players. Also I've already talked about contents that requires tank to dps. I can't convince you to listen to things you don't want to hear I suppose.

If there's 1 less snob/asshole playing warrior due to damage nerf, that's reason enough for me.

And yeah, I think your ideas are dumb too. As long as you defend having these buffs, there will always be assholes tanking using dps stance and wipe partys.

[Freyyy]

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But... but... Your WAR isn't even 60 and you come into a thread bitching about "toxic WAR players" and stuff and ask for a stupidly brutal nerf on a job you don't even play at max level. Are you a troll ? Because that's how you troll people.

Oh and I also see that your main job, DRG, has no Alex Savage loot nor eso upgrade. Do you even know what you're talking about here ?


But to answer your last point, if they nerfed WAR to the ground like that, people would be forced to tank even more in DPS stance because this high tank DPS is actually needed in current high end content. That's why PLD has become the worst tank. They built the current encounters around everyone including the tanks doing max DPS. Nerfing like that wouldn't solve anything and would create more problems.

[thunderbreak]

That makes like no sense, I have to max a job to tell if the player is an asshole or not? 2.0 had dps only warriors, they invented the whole dps accessory thing. You make it sound like it just dropped at 3.0. There were assholes then, and there are assholes now.

And that upgrade part...what are you smoking?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2792633/

The only thing isn't eso yet is accessories.

And ONCE AGAIN for god sakes I know reading is hard. But the content is created by the Devs where 1 role needs to do a task out of their role, but not every class in that role can perform this task, means the devs fucked up. If you are telling me pally and dk can do the same amount of DPS as warriors, then it's the player's fault. But you people say "have you done savage?" which suggests warrior dps is required. Then the content needs re-evaluation.

[Freyyy]

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You don't understand a shit about what I'm saying to you. Firstly, no, you don't have to max a job to tell if a player is an asshole. I was talking about your nerf idea about Maim and Berserk. Those are really stupid and anyone who plays WAR would know that. And god I know that DPS-tanking has been existing before 3.0, I was one of these guys running with pentamelded crafted STR accessories since SCoB. Your big problem is your idea of what an asshole is. You're basically saying that tanks who are playing STR/using their DPS stance while tanking are all assholes. It's totally what you sound like. And that makes YOU an asshole. Yes there is bad tanks not using defensive CDs and trying to mimic the good tanks by stance dancing and wearing DPS jewelry, but those are bad tanks only because they are bad, not because they wear DPS gear and have an aggressive-wannabe tanking style.

By eso UPGRADES I mean i210 eso gear. Which can be obtained in Alex Savage only. By saying that I was just pointing out the fact that you're coming into a thread without advanced knowledge about what you're talking about. When doing that you should be prepared to have people disagreeing with you because you're most likely to be wrong.

I don't think that the fact that tank DPS is required for clearing hard content means that the devs fucked up. It was their intention. It's a rule they wanted for their game. Yeah it doesn't work like every other MMOs (even if I know some MMOs where tank DPS was important too in high end content, that's not new to me at all). But it's how this game works because that's how the devs wanted it, the only thing they fucked up is job balance for PLD. PLD can still clear A4S; but it's a struggle compared to a DRK.

[rawker]

To WARs defense, their primary mitigation comes from their self-heals outside of Defiance and proper Inner Beast timing for tank busters. A WAR can still pull trash in Deliverance but may require to activate multiple cooldowns namely, Thrill of Battle, Convalescence, Bloodbath, and Vengeance. They just have to start off with 5 Wrath stacks, initiate with Steel Cyclone, followed by a crossed Flash then move to Deliverance and Pop whatever cooldown is needed; pref Infuriate and then followed by Decimate(Berserk is possible). Nerfing their raw power will hurt their self-heals, which will greatly hurt their mitigation outside of Defiance. If we're talking of PLD or DRK terms, it's like the same as activating Rampart/Sentinel or Shadowskin/Shadow Wall in Sword Oath or with Grit off. IMO, WAR is already a pretty tough tank to master and would at least need to be rewarded for the effort put in to it.

[Hurp]

In a world... Where everything is perfectly balanced.

[NFaelivrin]

Since it seems the devs are completely unwilling to actually improve the other two tanks to WAR's level nerfing WAR might be the most realistic solution at this point, which won't happen anyway since everything is obviously working as intended for them.

[Syzygian]

Since it seems the devs are completely unwilling to actually improve the other two tanks to WAR's level nerfing WAR might be the most realistic solution at this point, which won't happen anyway since everything is obviously working as intended for them.

At this point with what some skilled DRKs are pulling off in savage, you'd have to nerf them too. PLD needs some raid DPS and its utilities fixed. I've come to the conclusion since authoring this thread that DRK and WAR are actually on very equal footing with one losing out to the other in certain circumstances and vice versa, and a specific nerf to either is highly unlikely to be in the cards. PLD just needs some love and it'll get it as hard as this forum is kicking and screaming about it. 3.2 is going to be a hell of a patch.

[eagledorf]

No, lol. DRK and WAR aren't even close to equal footing.

WAR: Never runs out of TP
DRK: Runs out right away in Grit, somewhat slower out

WAR: OT DPS is always that high
DRK: Needs to get hit for MP and procs

WAR: IB works for Magic and Physical
DRK: DM magic only

WAR: 3-4 IB a minute+half a Thrill
DRK: 1 DM and 2/3 of a Shadowskin a minute

WAR: 30% DMG cooldown every 2 minutes+20% of a full stack of Wrath
DRK: 30% DMG cooldown every 3 minutes

WAR: 100% parry rate every 90s+20% of a full stack of Wrath
DRK: +30% parry rate every minute

WAR: Wrath grants passive parry buff
DRK: No passive mitigation

WAR: Slashing debuff and damage down debuff on demand on up to 3 targets.
DRK: Damage down on parry proc for one target only

WAR: Burst self-healing on demand+weak self-heal tied to combo
DRK: Self-heal tied to combo only

True, WAR loses IB if they turn off the tank stance, but if they need it they can switch in off GCD smoothly so it doesn't actually prevent them from using their DPS stance.

DRK is helped by the current content, but looking that their abilities, WAR is excellent in a much, much broader range of content than DRK is.