Lets nerf WAR :D

[Seku]

http://youtu.be/jC7VnSY702s
Go ahead and look at the video date I'll wait.
Like I said think outside the box like this group did.

Think outside the box by gearing up for a encounter that most groups picked apart the first few days while using a sub-optimal raid party set up?

[Jhett_Magnum]

Think outside the box by gearing up for a encounter that most groups picked apart the first few days while using a sub-optimal raid party set up?

We could debate about that till we are blue in the face. All jobs are usefull in it's own way.

[Seku]

We could debate about that till we are blue in the face. All jobs are usefull in it's own way.

It's not a debate. You're pointing to a encounter that was downed pretty fast on the first few days of release, in which this group is already geared when the content was out for weeks. Meaning the DPS should have been able to meet the checks with ease, more so if they were smart and did their weapons first so yeah it's do-able after people get their stuff, which was never debated.

And if you consider this a debate. You're losing pretty bad. T_T As the point is being able to things upon initial release with no job left behind until gear or levels enables them to clear said content. In which case it's still optimal to take a WAR,SCH,WHM instead of inflating your group with sub-par job options Aka PLD, AST if given the choice, unless you're doing it for the challenge. But yeah. When you find the same video, first week, that's when you're on to something. Other than that you're just validating something that's already been said. You can make it work after you're geared. Pretty much relaxes the DPS check.

Note: AST may actually be good now. Haven't really seen it since it's buffs, so don't know where it stands in the hierarchy of things. But was still bad at the time of the making of this video.

[Kaisersoke]

Ast can effectively replace a whitemage, at the cost of the mind buff, but raising raid dps.

[Jhett_Magnum]

What you think is a sub par job is your opinion. Someone made an argument saying 2 wars cleared a floor, so yes I agree gear over time does help.

[Kaisersoke]

Pretty much what they're saying is that paladin can clear things at this point, but they severely gimp a group merely due to raid design and several parts of their new kit in comparison to its peers (Warrior, Dark Knight) required to actively participate in progression groups. The highly tuned, dps focused/magic damage based fights are still intensely taxing on paladins, and their new kit does practically nothing to relieve that. On the other hand, warrior was empowered by tossing it solely into the OT niche, able to do high sustained damage for long times and still fulfill its tanking duties. Dark Knight is able to fulfill these roles, solely because savage feels very tailored to dark knight, having good magical mitigation.

Paladins have too many weaknesses, warriors dont have enough, and dark knight has enough to be balanced. The question remains is will the pattern of catering to the strengths of the latter two continue? Will they buff paladin then? Would they nerf warrior? Its interesting speculation, but the certain meta is pretty terrible, I only hope that this style of endgame design changes quickly.

[rawker]

Just coming here to say that Xeno soloed Titan Ex. I'll leave it all to you now to judge.
https://youtu.be/7vs7AVPLjBY

I'll just be here waiting for a DRK or PLD to solo Titan Ex.

[Ladon]

Just coming here to say that Xeno soloed Titan Ex. I'll leave it all to you now to judge.
https://youtu.be/7vs7AVPLjBY

I'll just be here waiting for a DRK or PLD to solo Titan Ex.

See this would be great if it took some kind of inhuman skill and a special build or something to pull off, but this is none of that. This is straight up a geared Warrior fighting like they would in any other fight. This is simply the result of a job with far too much DPS and survivability in one package.

[rawker]

See this would be great if it took some kind of inhuman skill and a special build or something to pull off, but this is none of that. This is straight up a geared Warrior fighting like they would in any other fight. This is simply the result of a job with far too much DPS and survivability in one package.

To its defense though, he defeated it with echo.

[Ladon]

To its defense though, he defeated it with echo.

Indeed, though that just allows this to be done with a lower ilevel threshold. The toolkit is still there if you remove echo, you would just need better gear. Can't really say that about the other classes.

And I don't mean to take away from Xeno doing this. It is still an incredible feat and there was some luck in there for sure. However, what I mean is that this can be easily emulated as well so it's not like this can simply be dismissed as something that only a select few will be capable of doing.