Adventurer in Need in Roulette, do you think it needs to change up a bit?

[Welsper59]

SE doesn't really pick the adventurer in need though... we do! If there were more tanks queueing for roulette more of the time, then it would change to something else. It's only there to try and get those missing roles to be filled in to help decrease our queue times.

If they're going to start changing that to something other than what is actually needed, then they need to rename it as well (like "Bonus Role" or something).

Personally I think they to boost the bonus more although I doubt that'd encourage more people to tank (or just be the missing role, but like you said, it's pretty much always tank).

Edit: People just don't want to do roles they don't want to do, so unless it's a massive bonus they're not going to (and if it was there would be threads complaining about how the tank gets too much of a bonus all the time etc)

Totally agreed here. Unfortunately, the tank and healer roles are heavy with responsibility and burden. In order to get more people to take it up, the benefits would need to be unbelievably good (by comparison to DPS), as you've said. I'd say maybe.. a minimum of half (ideally full) what is currently offered as a daily expert reward given would be enough to motivate some change quickly and meaningfully. It's just like real life. If you want people to properly take on more responsibilities, they need to be properly incentivized. Raising someones pay by a dollar to do twice the work isn't exactly going to be something employees will line up for.

Of course, this also means that the highest tier tome of the time would have to be uncapped, in order to benefit from this and not make it worse (due to being able to faster hit said cap). I think that's a change a lot of folks wouldn't mind having, despite apprehensions. They could always go the route of some random reward based on RNG giving you something meaningful at a low chance. Like maybe mounts, minions, glamour, etc. Imagine the bag having a possibility for the Alex mount, Fenrir, or some very expensive minion. That might influence a decent amount of people to queue more often without a need to uncap tomes. The impact may not be as much as the tomes thing though. People will always complain because the grass is always greener. Take for example this entire topic. Even with the petty rewards, it comes to light lol.

[Eye_Gore]

So... because offering a reward isn't attracting a large amount of tanks into the queue you're suggesting removing the reward entirely to stop the remaining tanks who actually do take advantage of it from bothering to queue?

When something fails its intended purpose its time to modify it, change it, get rid of it, whatever. I personally could care less what it does. As mentioned before once you max level it no longer gives exp, just gill and seals. I've capped seals a thousand times over and the gil bonus, whatever. I could do a FATE get more seals and probably sell what ever I got from a monster drop for about the same. Its not productive if it doesn't produce positive results.

[Felis]

When something fails its intended purpose its time to modify it, change it, get rid of it, whatever.

So long the role in need bonus attract at least 1 tank and don't increase the amount of classes not in need it fulfill it purpose. To increase the amount of attracted needed classes the reward have to increase, not the system have to get rid so it decrease the amount of needed classes in the queue even further.

Maybe an additional bonus like doubled normal daily reward (of course also only once each day) minus the roulette exp.

[Eye_Gore]

So long the role in need bonus attract at least 1 tank

Adding to the cesspit known as the DF. A real tank is going to que it anyways. A person playing tank just for the bonus then in turn probably is sub-par as it is not their main adding to the DF attitude, adding to why there are countless posts about why people don't que the DF anyways. I only run dungeons as a tank but if I didn't, I would rather have someone tanking that wants to be there and isn't just there for the bonus.

So... going on that thought, yes dump the bonus, it attracts undesirables to the class and it may give the real tanks a bad image...oh wait......

[Chessala]

When heavensward came the Adventurer in Need was DPS for quiet a while. Why? Because no one wanted to play MCH but many people focused on the remaining new classes: tank and healer. When the excitement died down, things went back to normal and Tanks were the Adventurers in Need again.

I don't have a tank but my SO plays tanks and refuses to tank for DF. Why? because more often than not, the groups suck. I am not talking about learning your class and new skills, I am genuinely talking about sucky players: 1-2-3 DPS, healers that are too busy dps-ing or don't have their priorities set and most of all BAD TANKS.

The bad tank influx was especially noticable during the beginning of heavensward. Players suddenly wanted to play Dark Knights because they are the dark and emo characters - but they had never touched a tank before. My SO and me leave dungeons more often than not because the tank sucks and unless you have neverending patience and like abuse, many tanks will not touch DF.

[LunnaRavenheart]

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Good tank can carry whole group. If your SO is good he/she should play tank, if he/she is not that leave it as its now.

Why?
I am maining healer but when I do expert as always come as warrior.

Because?
I can make dungeon fast paced.
I can improve dps of whole party a lot (I tend to do even more dps as dpses there )
As warrior master race I can even heal myself if healer is bad.
In the end I must say that I never had problem in df dungeon when I go as tank.

So tell your SO that maybe not only group suck, group can suck, but if YOU are tank, everything is allright in df dungeons.

Anyway healers are capable of dps, there is almost nothing to heal in dungeons, so healing is usually boring when you dont dps. Maybe if your SO playing tank he/she should also look into defensive cooldown rotation and usage. In the end you can download ACT and if you are died you can check your death report and you will see last 9 second of your life = incoming heals and incoming damage, so you can exactly see if there was heals on your or no.

[AlphaFox]

Honestly I dont care what you throw at me (Okay maybe 1mil gil a run lol) I refuse to tank for DF unless I am in a really good mood. Otherwise it is for FC only and even then its all the 50 or less stuff as I havn't leveled my Warrior past 50.

[Dererk]

Maybe OP thinks there's a conspiracy with the adventure in need bonus going on.


Its its not true I tell you you can believe me.


(maybe)

[Chessala]

Good tank can carry whole group. If your SO is good he/she should play tank, if he/she is not that leave it as its now.

Anyway healers are capable of dps, there is almost nothing to heal in dungeons, so healing is usually boring when you dont dps. Maybe if your SO playing tank he/she should also look into defensive cooldown rotation and usage. In the end you can download ACT and if you are died you can check your death report and you will see last 9 second of your life = incoming heals and incoming damage, so you can exactly see if there was heals on your or no.

Of course the tank can suck as well (that was one of the points I made). My SO is a good tank (good for me: keeps aggro without issues, doesn't run around like a chicken, sets a good pace) but why would my SO have to carry 2 sucky dps through the dungeon (I am usually the healer)? I know I wouldn't do it. Learn to play before you queue (in higher lvl content).

For the healer: yes, healers are capable od dps-ing but not every healer is capable of handling both. They get so locked into dps-ing that they miss when healing is needed. That is what i talk about. A good healer can judge when healing is necessary and when dps-ing is possible. A bad healer doesn't have that ability.

[Ashbury]

The dps DO get a bonus.
It's called 'Faster Queue Times'.