NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[zosia]

These two comments do no make sense in the same sentence.

People are complaining because they aren't enjoying the content, therefore everyone is not enjoying the content offered currently.

So why should they stop complaining about something they aren't enjoying?

Because this forum community is full of apologist. It's always the fault of the player and never the fault of SE.

This game's forums are one of the few places where the customer is always wrong.

It sound like you want your cake and eat it to. Guess what it cant happen. NM in all honesty is for midcore players. Casuals will try it but not really farm it like the midcore level. Savage is for hardcore players. Midcore will try it but wont really farm it. Dungeons are more for capping tomes and casual players.

Midcore players have been feeling left out for a long time (since 2.0 launched) and the only somewhat midcore raiding to do was the 24 person raids. Mean while casual and hardcore players were getting tons of content that were more for there speed.

This is SE's way of trying to fill in the gaps for all styles of play. So why is everyone so salty over SE trying to fill in the gaps for types of game play. CHILLAX and wait for 3.1.

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It's not midcore content, at all. Ex primals are midcore content. They still take strategy and competent players. Alex NM is a loot pinata snooze fest. I literally alt tab for a2 NM. Just tab fire 2 til Blizzard 3 and repeat. That is not midcore content. It's idiot proof.

They did not fill a gap, they made one. There is no "just right" porridge anymore, just too hot and too cold.

[hagare]

The very existence of this thread implies that not everyone is enjoying the content as provided, otherwise this conversation would not be taking place.

I don't have to be a representative of the playerbase to read the front page of general discussion.

You are aware what "everyone" means right? or were you going for the zing and are just now realizing you missed horribly? o.o

do YOU know the meaning of everyone?
The fact that people are arguing against you already shows that NOT everyone agrees with you.
so do tell what I missed?

[Astral145]

Zosia

You don't ever need a static for midcore raiding in anygame that is why its called midcore.... midcore is a blend of casual and hardcore.... Midcore players are usually competent players that can usually run with any type of group in a midcore level playing field (same gear Ilevels...ect).

Hardcore is for statics because the content requires you to be in a competent group with all players in sync to get it done. In other words you have to know each others play styles very well.

Normally content for casuals is easy and can pretty much finish the content with any type of player base. You can not do this with NM unless you have several over gear and very well seasoned players in the group... its not going to happen... especially in run 3 and 4.

Dungeons can be completed with 4 low skilled players.

NM raids like primal ex's and Alex NM 1- 4 can not be completed with 8 low skilled players. You will need to have at least 5 - 8 descent skilled players to beat that content at ilevel w/out a static.

Savage mode will need 5 - 8 very competent players that are in a static to complete it. It cant be done by 8 low skilled players. It could be done by 8 midcore players but usually when that happens they are over geared for the content to make up for the level of skill required to beat it when it first came out.

[zosia]

Zosia

You don't ever need a static for midcore raiding in anygame that is why its calledmidcore.... midcore is a blend of casual and hardcore.... Midcore players are usually competent players that can usually run with any type of group in a midcore level playing field (same gear Ilevels...ect).

Hardcore is for statics because the content requires you to be in a competent group with all players in sync to get it done. In other words you have to know each others play styles very well.

Normally content for casuals is easy and can pretty much finish the content with any type of player base. You can not do this with NM unless you have several over gear and very well seasoned players in the group... its not going to happen... especially in run 3 and 4.

Yeah, I agree, with your example, EX primals are pugable, in pf. You don't really need a static for EX primals, but you're not going to be able to do EX primals in DF without echo buffs. If EX primals were put in df day one of their release, there would be very few df clears, until echo. That is not the case with alex NM. You don't even need to join a PF group. It's far from the difficulty of what midcore content is. If anything, the content gap that alex NM filled was LFR gap, which is a tourist version of content.

It does not matter, SE has the stats and they will either adjust or this game will just slowly slip into obscurity after going hello kitty island adventure status. I am done trying to provide feed back or meet people half way here.

It's clear SE does not value midcore or hardcore players the way they do casual players. We will take our "elitist attitudes" and "entitlement riddled work ethic" and leave if this tier repeats itself and you guys can have this game all to yourselves.

Lets see how many people will come to this game once word gets out that SE can't balance the meta in a meaningful way.

[Ryel]

do YOU know the meaning of everyone?
The fact that people are arguing against you already shows that NOT everyone agrees with you.
so do tell what I missed?

Do you... understand.. English?

My statement is:

"The existance of this thread complaining about the state of content proves that not everyone is enjoying the current content offered"

Your response is that because you and another poster disagree with that statement it means that everyone is enjoying the content.

Like... somehow the dozens of posts and threads before this one raising multiple points as to why people are not enjoying the current content don't exist?

I personally in no shape or form have ever made the argument that everyone agrees with my views on content, i did however state that not everyone enjoys how content is currently presented.

One single complaint in this or any other thread proves that.

[hagare]

Do you... understand.. English?

My statement is:

"The existance of this thread complaining about the state of content proves that not everyone is enjoying the current content offered"

Your response is that because you and another poster disagree with that statement it means that everyone is enjoying the content?

Like... somehow the dozens of posts and threads before this one raising multiple points as to why people are not enjoying the current content don't exist, i in no shape or form ever made the argument that everyone agrees with my views on content, i did however state that not everyone enjoys how content is currently presented.

One single complaint in this or any other thread proves that.

sigh.........
do you?
I never said everyone was enjoying content, as proven by those threads saying they're not enjoying savage.

These two comments do no make sense in the same sentence.

People are complaining because they aren't enjoying the content, therefore everyone is not enjoying the content offered currently.

So why should they stop complaining about something they aren't enjoying?

[Dante_V]

Alex normal should be much harder.

[Ryel]

sigh.........
do you?
I never said everyone was enjoying content, as proven by those threads saying they're not enjoying savage.

You're trying to argue the same thing from a different perspective and you don't even understand why XD

The original comment i replied to was Astral's saying that people should stop complaining and enjoy the content SE made for everyone to enjoy.

My response was by example of this thread's existence (See: people complaining about said content) not everyone is enjoying (See: liking) that content which for some reason you must have misunderstood.

[hagare]

You're trying to argue the same thing from a different perspective and you don't even understand why XD

The original comment i replied to was Astral's saying that people should stop complaining and enjoy the content SE made for everyone to enjoy.

My response was by example of this thread's existence (See: people complaining about said content) not everyone is enjoying (See: liking) that content which for some reason you must have misunderstood.

okay sure

[Astral145]

Yeah, I agree, with your example, EX primals are pugable, in pf. You don't really need a static for EX primals, but you're not going to be able to do EX primals in DF without echo buffs. If EX primals were put in df day one of their release, there would be very few df clears, until echo. That is not the case with alex NM. You don't even need to join a PF group. It's far from the difficulty of what midcore content is. If anything, the content gap that alex NM filled was LFR gap, which is a tourist version of content.

It does not matter, SE has the stats and they will either adjust or this game will just slowly slip into obscurity after going hello kitty island adventure status. I am done trying to provide feed back or meet people half way here.

It's clear SE does not value midcore or hardcore players the way they do casual players. We will take our "elitist attitudes" and "entitlement riddled work ethic" and leave if this tier repeats itself and you guys can have this game all to yourselves.

Lets see how many people will come to this game once word gets out that SE can't balance the meta in a meaningful way.

If you find Alex NM very easy and consider yourself a midcore player then you fall on the end of midcore and edge close to hardcore. Better yet you might find being a hardcore player more your speed.

I don't know how many time I landed in DF groups in A3 - A4 and in Primal Ex's (especially Romuh in ARR) that couldn't get the mechanics down. The tanks would just quit after 3 or 4 wipes. I've rarely seen this happen in a dungeon.

There is a difference between 3.0 end game dungeons and Alex NM when it comes to the skill level required to beat that content. There is a difference between Alex NM and SM when it comes to the level of skill required to beat that content.

Dungeons requires low skill to complete it (casual mostly)

Primal ex's and Alex NM requires descent level skill to complete it (low midcore to upper midcore)

Savage anything requires awesome skill level to complete it (upper midcore to hardcore)