NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Dererk]

No, the problem is that the loot system meant you ran the thing 20 times a week to get your drop.

if it was one shot per kill per week with a currency like Savage is(without the hard lockout so you could rerun it if you wanted to) this would never have been a problem.

No the problem is that there was gear rewards for a story raid. A story raid that was built so people can experience the story.

Needing the gear to start progressing in savage was a well.... Heck you know what I'll say it. A dick move. To get people in it to help others clear. (Couldn't think of a nicer way to say it so ill call it like it is.)

[Nadirah]

No the problem is that there was gear rewards for a story raid. A story raid that was built so people can experience the story.

Needing the gear to start progressing in savage was a well.... Heck you know what I'll say it. A dick move. To get people in it to help others clear. (Couldn't think of a nicer way to say it so ill call it like it is.)

You know whats also a dick move?

Thinking that only savage raiders deserve gear.

I totally agree that releasin NM before Savage was a bad idea (I don't run Savage btw, scheduling and lack of any desire). Mostly because they used it as a stepping stone. There aren't too many people who wouldn't be burnt out by that.

You'll never get that "epicness" feeling you got from your first raid ever again. It's like your first time for just about everything else.

I personally never found Coil to be "epic", but I've played other games that did the whole epic raid feel MUCH better.

[Dererk]

You know whats also a dick move?

Thinking that only savage raiders deserve gear.

Well honestly why do people who only want to do a story mode need gear?

[Colorful]

Well honestly why do people who only want to do a story mode need gear?

Glamour is the real endgame (for me). Having said that though, Alexander gear is ugly as sin.

[Nadirah]

Well honestly why do people who only want to do a story mode need gear?

Because there's no content after Alexander. Nope, won't be ever.

Okay.

Coil didn't really feel all that epic, at least imho. Alexander felt bigger to me, but I will admit that Coil's story, or rather, the last part of the coil storyline was a hell of a lot better. FCoB's story, while not quite epic, was still interesting. My only gripe with Alex's story is the protagonist doesn't seem to have much of a personality. And the Oppressor looks like a steam punk baby lawn mower. That single eye...

Coil for the most part was a short series of rooms. Much like Alex. The *only* thing it had going for it was the story that went all the way back to 1.0. That's it. The zone itself was incredibly unimpressive.

[CosmicKirby]

Because there's no content after Alexander. Nope, won't be ever.
Okay.

I imagine that Void Ark will have a i180 minimum. You can easily make that with Eso and Doman gear. You don't "need" the gear because you're not really facing any content that demands the numbers the higher ilevel gears give you.

[hagare]

I imagine that Void Ark will have a i180 minimum. You can easily make that with Eso and Doman gear. You don't "need" the gear because you're not really facing any content that demands the numbers the higher ilevel gears give you.

pretty much the same thing with savage gear. Why would you need gear from savage when you can already beat savage without it?
At least A4S gear. A1-3S might have a case in being needed for A4S, but then again you have eso.

[CosmicKirby]

pretty much the same thing with savage gear. Why would you need gear from savage when you can already beat savage without it?
At least A4S gear. A1-3S might have a case in being needed for A4S, but then again you have eso.

A.) To make the actually difficult content a bit easier, to get the rest of the gear you want, because it drops gear.
B.) You've designed a game where the typical rewards are either loot, or story. You've ostensibly removed story from the reward, what would the reward be if you also removed loot?

[Nadirah]

I imagine that Void Ark will have a i180 minimum. You can easily make that with Eso and Doman gear. You don't "need" the gear because you're not really facing any content that demands the numbers the higher ilevel gears give you.

I imagine it'll need 190.

Alex normal needed 170, which was full Law gear.

190 is full Alex normal gear.
I still think the problem with burnt out raiders is exclusively due to the way loot was handled and not the raid themselves.

"Nothing's different this is boring"
It'd been out two weeks after normal launch. Were you bored of doing the same fights every week for 2 months in Coil? No? Of course not, you did them once per week, not 4+ per boss(or more, if you df and didn't get very lucky).

Running the same fight over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over in a short time period is going to burn you out.

On top of it, the Savage difficulty is asinine compared to the gear that was out when it was launched. They either should have delayed it or set the "ideal" item level lower. Based on output needed, it seems they had planned on 195 being the start point for A1S. That implies esoterics gear. Yet, they released it before yoiu could have possibly gotten enough gear to get to that point(because they released at the same time), hell, you couldn't even have full normal gear by then.

And yet they were peeved(you can tell) that it was cleared when it was. They expected it to take longer.

Now imagine if you'd only needed 180 to clear it, like the folks that didn't want to do Normal ask for. It'd have been cleared day one and ya'll would be crying it's not hard enough.

Make up your minds.