The anti cheat system

[Dante_V]

The inability to provide for ones defense is in violation of a very paramount individual right of due process that guides any system of objective justice IMO. Anyone accused of anything should be given the chance to both face their accuser (or mod) and make their case/refute with evidence/ or so on. The fact that this game lacks this is amazing to me and extremely unfriendly.

[KaedrianLiang]

The gaming industry standard is to observe reported/detected violators several times over the course of months. That way false positives are next to non-existant.

There are severals methods to determining violators that are used in conjunction with each other.

Logged server data, example: Player1 has been harvesting crystals for up to 8 hours a day straight, in the same pattern. Player1 was killed by a roaming A rank NM 10 times in a row in the same spot and continues to return, teleport and wander into the same spot to their death.

GM/investigator observation, example: GM/investigator while invisible or hidden observes player2.

GM/investigator tries to initiate a random conversaion, example GM/investigator sends a tell to player3, "hello player3, i noticed you are an avid battlegrounds goer, and you seem to really like Alterac Valley, i was wondering if you have any feedback about the current state of the game, also how's the weather IRL in your area?" GM/investigator waits for a proper response.

Detection/Triggers Automated anti-cheat: This is like a warning system. *CHEAT DETECTED ALARM GOES OFF AT GM OFFICE* GM/investigator's dont take a closer look until same trigger goes off several or a dozen times for the same offending player.

There's more, but you get the idea.

[AzakaTonnerre]

The gaming industry standard is to observe reported/detected violators several times over the course of months. That way false positives are next to non-existant...

OP makes a tread explaining, if you had read it entirely, that improvements could be made to the anti-cheat system including being able to see why you were temporarily suspended and have the ability to defend those accusations prior to the suspension ending.

You read the first sentence and like a machine reply solely about how the anti-cheat system works and defend it without regard to the overall theme of his post. Kind of suspicious to me that you would not reply to what was presented in the OP in its entirety. Makes me wonder if a bot posted that using your account. Wonder if we should report your account for suspicious activity.

Then again I suppose the forum has policies that ensure "false positives are next to non-existent".

See how these things get started?

By the way "next to non-existent" doesn't mean never, it means that a possibility exists (though slim) that an error in the system may have occurred. And that is why I agree with the suggestions the OP made that you glossed over.

OP, please listen to others who have said get a token or the security app. Sorry this happened to you if in fact you did nothing wrong (and may have been hacked, etc.).

[KaedrianLiang]

By the way "next to non-existent" doesn't mean never.

I worded that specifically for your exact reply. Your whole post is the intent behind my choice of words. Thank you for detailing that.


Anyways. You aren't on Tonberry.

[Malzian]

The inability to provide for ones defense is in violation of a very paramount individual right of due process that guides any system of objective justice IMO. Anyone accused of anything should be given the chance to both face their accuser (or mod) and make their case/refute with evidence/ or so on. The fact that this game lacks this is amazing to me and extremely unfriendly.

Not to detract from the conversation in any way, since I do think that you should be able to plead your case, but this is how the judicial system works in the US. It's a very different story in many other countries. Since SE is a Japanese company (with subsidiaries in the US, but the parent company is very much in Japan) they really don't have to and likely won't ascribe to the same concept of the judicial system that we do. I do sincerely hope the OP gets this worked out, but remember you're not dealing with US regulations or ideologies here.

[Xanikk999]

Not to detract from the conversation in any way, since I do think that you should be able to plead your case, but this is how the judicial system works in the US. It's a very different story in many other countries. Since SE is a Japanese company (with subsidiaries in the US, but the parent company is very much in Japan) they really don't have to and likely won't ascribe to the same concept of the judicial system that we do. I do sincerely hope the OP gets this worked out, but remember you're not dealing with US regulations or ideologies here.

Actually it is a human right to have due process before the law. It is internationally agreed upon that everyone is deemed innocent until proven guilty and people have the right to defend themselves. This is no different whether it be France, Italy, US, Brazil, China or Japan. Globalization has really made this the mainstream view.