NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Nadirah]

How, exactly, would this stroke my ego?

I never did coils, never will. I'll never do savage. And if SE had made a completely different, progressive raid to follow Alex, I most likely would never have done that either. That's my choice. Why should people who enjoy a harder, progressive game experience be required to burn themselves out in the same damn encounter over and over because that's not what I want to do?

Talk about selfish . . .

They have it though.

IT'S CALLED SAVAGE.

WoW also had a TON of things to do other than raid. Not any more.

During its glory days through Wrath, Blizzard succeeded in creating a world with its own culture. That is the sole reason that WoW boasted over 12 million subs at one point. LFR, CRZ and ridiculous accessibility ruined that culture. It's a shame, too, because they "had it." But like you said they threw it away by making things easy for the player - from removing RP items like regents and ammo to removing the community.

RIP WoW.

You want to know what killed wow?

This attitude:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/205...hard-1-11-2011

Everything talked about in this video(warning, "fruity" language, NSFW profanity):
https://youtu.be/egkF2BIs7QY

Not the content, not the accessibility. THAT.

[StrejdaTom]

Because God forbid they actually want you to do the content they added before Savage.

Considering that the content is the same as savage, there is really no reason for such wish.

They have it though.

IT'S CALLED SAVAGE.



You want to know what killed wow?

This attitude:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/205...hard-1-11-2011

We already have this attitude here - nerfed Steps of Faith, nerfed Pharos Sirius, nerfed normal Amdapor Keep etc..

[Aniforani]

People that didn't want Steps of Faith to be nerfed should be forced to have it as their only roulette until everyone in the community has passed into heavensward. Even now it is a nightmare to pass through in a random group. Story content doesn't have to be a breeze but it should never be a barricade.

[StrejdaTom]

People that didn't want Steps of Faith to be nerfed should be forced to have it as their only roulette until everyone in the community has passed into heavensward. Even now it is a nightmare to pass through in a random group. Story content doesn't have to be a breeze but it should never be a barricade.

Because it is too hard to have 2 people on canons, hold mobs under the boss and go to snares twice..
But yeah, we have just became an offtopic.

[Jetstream_Fox]

It's really amazing how so many of you think the raid issue is the main reason HW is awful. It's like, let's forget crafting gear still sucks, housing is a mess, PvP is laughable, FCs have no real purpose, current content is lackluster and nothing is truly meaningful in this game. I don't see this whole "I have this gear piece if you want it go raid and be motivated" ideology, it doesn't make any difference what you wear in this game, a ilv 5 weapon will act exactly like a ilv 200 weapon except you'll do more damage. It's not like other games where finishing high end content give you gear that has special abilities that actually make a difference. I can't imagine any of you playing PSO with a sealed J Sword and having to kill 23,000 enemies to unseal the sword to utilize it's massive room wide attacks and bigger stat boosts. So why do some of you care about the gear, when in the end, it's utterly meaningless and has no real impact on the game?

[dejavutwo]

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People don't raid for just one reason but a mix of reasons - gear, story, challenge, novelty, ect. Gear is only a small part of why a lot of people are unhappy, its just the easiest one to talk about when trying to explain the frustration with the interactions between Normal/Savage. Getting unique/powerful gear was part of the fun of raiding, and it takes a lot of time and effort to learn and clear the fights so wanting a reward that can be seen as valuable goes a long way. Even though the savage set is dye-able, when you upgrade from normal to savage gear, you still pretty much look the same.

While first learning the fights the novelty and the shiny newness helps a lot to keep people interested through the initial learning phases where you are wiping a lot. With that novelty, your still having fun despite the repeated wipes because the fight is like a puzzle to be solved. With normal in place, there is no novelty to the fights anymore, and although some of the mechanics have been tweaked a little, it largely feels like the same fight. The first time I went into A2S I groaned knowing what was in store, where as every single coil fight I was hyped the first time I saw the boss. Gearing up in Normal mode to help hit the strict dps checks made it so that I was sick of a lot of the savage fights before I even zoned into them for the first time. I'm not the only one who has been affected like this as people are burning out incredibly quickly.

I don't think Alex normal should be completely removed, but I do think it should either come out a few months after savage (Reverse 24-man and Normal releases) or not drop any gear. That way it is not part of the progression chain and you won't have to do it at all to gear up for savage.

[Verius_Nox]

What in the actual hell are you talking about?

You have your exclusive content and now you're trying to take ours. Buzz off please.

There is no exclusive content, not anymore. I got to see the content doing the story mode people like yourself begged for. The 1% of the content you wanted so badly, always you you you you.

You're selfish and egotistical to think all content should be catered exactly for you, even the 1% you yourself said the game isn't even centered around.

[Kosmos992k]

You're selfish and egocentric because apparently the only way for you to feel accomplished is by having stuff that others don't have.

Alexander Savage already gives you exclusive equipment, but you're not happy with that reward because you see other players being happy just by seeing the story and getting gear from Alexander NM, so you want to take that from them so you have more people looking at you.

Actually, I'm beginning to think that the biggest is due for some of the complainers in this thread is that savage is too hard, and so they see no incentive to run it (exclusive gear, mount and minion not withstanding), or complain that there is no midcore raid (ie "savage is too hard, give us something easier"). I'm just making an observation based on the comments I'm seeing....

[hagare]

There is no exclusive content, not anymore. I got to see the content doing the story mode people like yourself begged for. The 1% of the content you wanted so badly, always you you you you.

You're selfish and egotistical to think all content should be catered exactly for you, even the 1% you yourself said the game isn't even centered around.

dyable gear, exclusive mount, challenge.
you wanting more stuff is fine.
you wanting to reduce other people's content so you can have more exclusivity is selfish and egotistical
As it is right now, no content is held back from you. You have more exclusives.
what you want is not more content, but reduced content for 99% of people who are not like you.

[Jetstream_Fox]

People don't raid for just one reason but a mix of reasons - gear, story, challenge, novelty, ect.

The raids have no challenge, they're packed with nothing but artificial difficulty and follow the same format as the rest of the game, stand here, move there, kill that, move that here, heal through that, buff that, burn boss and then break you win! One little mess up and everyone is dead, this game is about as challenging as playing any modern day one hit kill fps online.

Story is the main reason for this game, it's how they developed it since day one and everyone is entitled to enjoy it.

Again gear is pointless as I stated no weapon, armor, ring or anything even impact this game except with a slight boost to stats, this game has no weapon strengths/weaknesses per enemy or elemental weapon properties to think of, so obtaining gear is pointless.

Getting items for glamour is as pointless as striving to the best geared player.

Out of those reasons the only one that makes sense is story. And story accessibility isn't something that should be locked behind anything. That's like me telling you that in order for you to know the story behind Halo you need to go play on LASO difficulty. Something probably not even 3/4th this games community wouldn't even try to attempt.