NO MORE ALEXANDER(NM)!

[Wildsprite]

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I'm never going into savage...I'm only doing NM to complete quests...
I didn't like coil before I did it, still don't like it. really don't want more of it. none of it's story makes it worth the stress.

the point of savage and coil was for it's challenge to so called hard core players. personally I'm insulted with their so called hard core content and refuse to touch it.

I'm not the only one looking at your request thinking "hell no, find something else to do"

[zosia]

This is exactly what happened with the recent WoW expansion, they listened to the hardcore, ruined whatever LFR has left and focused so much on raid content to appeal to the hardcore that they forgot about the rest of the game. The raiding was top notch in WoD, but everything else was pathetic.

Here's a gear comparison.

LFR (aka FFXIV's Normal):



Normal & Heroic(different colorations iirc):


There's a lot of reasons WoD lost over half of WoW's population, and that's one of them (several threads on their forums with the OP receiving severeal hundred votes to bring back normal sets into LFR.

This is how it was in MoP (LFR, and the rest. Can't remember the pre-WoD naming schemes for difficulties).

Yeah, the reason wow COULD do that is that heroic and normal raiders ALWAYS have the best gear in contrast to LFR. In this game, raiders won't even be close to ilvl210 before the gear is just handed to people for the easiest of effort.

Wow could give a little in way of gear sets to the LFR crowd because raiders in that game have so so so much more prestige. Heroic raiding, in MoP, gave the best gear you could get until the next major raid patch. You also got exclusive mounts and titles every raid tier! You even got exclusive bosses! Bosses you could only see on the absolute hardest difficulty. Also, the conclusion of each raid was staggered from the release of the normal mode version of the raid, so the story was not spoiled.

This game does so little of that. Which is fine, we knew that back in ARR. Most raiders in this game at least felt they had an epic experience raiding in coil. Since gear is not a viable reward for raiding in this game, that epic experience is vastly more important. Also, we only got one minion and one title out of three raid tiers in ARR. Compare that to wow and maybe more of you can empathize why the raiding community is becoming so salty.

At this point, we virtually have nothing in way of a unique look, a proper reward schedule for loot in raiding, and far more raiders just don't have the 3 lockouts at five nights a week amount of time to get a3s and a4s down before 3.1.

This raid tier was a flop and SE will keep it's casual player base regardless, but raiders are up and leaving the game over many of these facts. You pick any of the points in this thread and I can show you at least a handful of names on my FL that have stopped logging in over that topic. The sad truth is that it's far more than a handful of people for some of these topics.

In six weeks, the only reason to do alex is for vanity gear and the challenge. BiS will come from airship island exploration. Your 210 weapon will come from your relic. Everyone will be showered in gear and alex savage will just become the new SCoB savage, you know, the thing everyone LOVED to do.

I'm never going into savage...I'm only doing NM to complete quests...
I didn't like coil before I did it, still don't like it. really don't want more of it. none of it's story makes it worth the stress.

the point of savage and coil was for it's challenge to so called hard core players. personally I'm insulted with their so called hard core content and refuse to touch it.

I'm not the only one looking at your request thinking "hell no, find something else to do"

"I don't raid but I feel my conjecture about the topic carry's weight"

Do you know why people don't want to touch it?

You do know that raider is not a synonym for a hardcore player right? Just like there is highly skilled casual players, there are more casual raiders.

Plenty of midcore raiding statics that raided 7-9 hours a week cleared T13 before nerfs, that same static will not get an a4s clear.

Take your Juvenal offended self and think about how these people pay an honest sub, just like you, and the content that IS designed for these people has be a total flop this tier.

This is actually something that makes content viable glamour-wise though.
Being able to dye something that is already in game kinda doesn't appeal to me, especially when the original color suits it the best. But that's just mine opinion.

It would really help is one of the best colors on the gear was not the default option of the NM loot.

Because Coil was reserved for a select group of people. Said people got content all to themselves and are not happy to see that others get to see similar content now. That's still very much e-peen.

You are absolutely wrong about that. Coil was reserved for no one, at all. Coil could be entered by anyone who had a party of eight and entrance to later coils required completion of the 1st set of turns.

An unwillingness to do content by most players is not the same as saying it was reserved for some special segment of the player base. Also, a lot of casual raid groups existed in ARR. Not so much now, but back in ARR you could be a much more casual raider.

People are making legitimate points about the the things wrong with alex savage and your rebuttal is "huur durr e-peen"

[FallenArisen0990]

To be fair, did you not had to clear SCoB to even attempt the Savage version? I still don't agree with normal having to be released after Savage. Does this game not follow the same thing like all other RPGs? Story first then "Post Game" or the "Extreme" version? SE clearly did Savage with Esoterics and the NM gear in mind. If SE would just halt the vertical progression for now, the Second Round of Alex would balance itself out.

[Anapingofness]

As a raider, I don't have a problem with Story Mode/Alex NM. What I have a problem with is the fact that those of us interested in raiding had to farm Alex NM for weeks- especially if RNGesus was not with you. So by the time we rolled around to Alex Savage a lot of us were starting to get a bit burnt out.

If the point of Alex NM/Story Mode was to let non-raiders experience the story behind Alexander, then Alex NM/Story Mode should not have dropped gear. The i180 gear + i185(RavanaEx weapons) were more than enough to clear everything in game except for the Alex Savage. Therefore, Alex NM/Story Mode should have simply been a quick instance that focused on the story behind Alexander.
That way the raiders are still left with the challenge of Alex Savage without feeling burnt out on it. That way it's a win, win situation.

[xXRaineXx]

We are only at the first stage of Alexander... there will be more... I think it's too early to cry...

Albeit, all I see is 'DEM FRIGGIN CASUALS RUINED MY GAME!!!!QQQQQ'

[zosia]

We are only at the first stage of Alexander... there will be more... I think it's too early to cry...

Albeit, all I see is 'DEM FRIGGIN CASUALS RUINED MY GAME!!!!QQQQQ'

What exactly will change without feedback? I did not know Yoshida was telepathic. /rollseyes

[StrejdaTom]

We are only at the first stage of Alexander... there will be more... I think it's too early to cry...

Really?
Without any negative feedback there will be only more of the same as usual, as it always was.
After 2 years many people actually see a pattern in patches and that pattern says that in 3.2 we are getting 4 more alex turns with completely the same system many of us hate now. So why should anyone concerned with that wait instead of creating a thread to post feedback?

The game has over 2 years now, can we please stop with these "the game just came out, the expansion just came out, the x just came out" excuses all the time? There were enough of them already.

If it wasn't for the negative feedback 3.1 would probably be just 3 dungeons, primal and some random side quests.. so nope, no waiting.

Albeit, all I see is 'DEM FRIGGIN CASUALS RUINED MY GAME!!!!QQQQQ'

Weird, we must be reading different thread, because all I see are lots of people attacking suggestion with their nonsense and a few people (both casuals and raiders, not me) offering quite a good solutions to raiding which isn't as appealing as it used to be.

EDIT: Anyways suggesting getting rid of Alex NM completely wasn't good idea from start. Some people here offered a nice solution to the dual raids we have now that would make savage actually worth doing and wasting time in. Shame that these suggestions will die with this thread and won't reach devs at all.

[Wildsprite]

"I don't raid but I feel my conjecture about the topic carry's weight"

Do you know why people don't want to touch it?

You do know that raider is not a synonym for a hardcore player right? Just like there is highly skilled casual players, there are more casual raiders.

Plenty of midcore raiding statics that raided 7-9 hours a week cleared T13 before nerfs, that same static will not get an a4s clear.

Take your Juvenal offended self and think about how these people pay an honest sub, just like you, and the content that IS designed for these people has be a total flop this tier.

I gave my opinion. your long winded response to my post which you seem to feel is out of place is duly noted.
I know being a raider is not nesicarily hardcore however that is what the devs claim BCoB/SCoB/FCoB and AS are marketed toward if you look at their posts.
and btw I do raid just not fond of the 8 man stuff, I quite enjoyed the Crystal Tower series and am looking forward to Void Ark.

[zosia]

I gave my opinion. your long winded response to my post which you seem to feel is out of place is duly noted.
I know being a raider is not nesicarily hardcore however that is what the devs claim BCoB/SCoB/FCoB and AS are marketed toward if you look at their posts.
and btw I do raid just not fond of the 8 man stuff, I quite enjoyed the Crystal Tower series and am looking forward to Void Ark.

You're not fond of it, don't do it, and yet you have an opinion on it. You sir/ma'am are precious.

I gave you five sentences, get over yourself. The rest of those responses were to other people. Also, LOL at calling the crystal tower series a raid. That's like going into LFR in wow and calling yourself a raider XD

[Sapphic]

Because Coil was reserved for a select group of people. Said people got content all to themselves and are not happy to see that others get to see similar content now. That's still very much e-peen.

Coil wasn't reserverd for anyone so I don't know where you got that from. all it took was a little effort to find or create a static and approach it. The only person stopping themselves from raiding is the one they see in the mirror. No, you don't need to dedicate hours and hours a week (unless you going for world firsts). 2 to 3 hours a week is all to see progression, unless you are that impatient and want it all now now now.