The Real Problem with Parsers

[JackFross]

The issue is that there's currently a system in place where they can have the person punished if they kick someone for poor performance, because they are using third-party software that breaks the ToC. Unless they revise the ToC, the second a parsing system is in the game and those numbers are public to anyone in that instance, you lose that leverage. There would be no penalty for kicking someone because they suck.

Even if it wouldn't happen often, the fact that, if it DID happen, it would likely go unpunished and allow whoever did it to just do it again later with impunity is just kinda... not ideal?

It's not as black and white as people wanna make it seem, is all. I guess I'm harping on the minority cases when in general it'd be just fine. x:

[OPneedNerfs]

1. Kicking after saying someone is dealing low dps (risk getting banned)

2. Kicking without saying anything.

Both will get some form of QQ and rage from the one kicked. Difference is that 1 of those may lead to something positive (self improvement) while the other does not.

Anyone with a grasp of the TOS will choose choice no.2 because it is not worth it risking a ban to aid in another's improvement.

Kicking due to bad performance was a thing, is a thing and will continue to be a thing in this game regardless of parsers.

If 1/10 groups kick a player, the problem was the group. If 9/10 groups kick a player, its the player.

[RiceisNice]

Yes, there is one optimal rotation for Dragoon. However, no, that does not mean there is only one way to play Dragoon.

And there lies the difference between playing sub-optimally and deliberately playing bad because you don't care. The DRG could be both missing positional or randomly using their skills (not comboing), and as much as you can say "you're doing the wrong skills", you can't objectify or quantify that information without numbers. And this becomes frustrating when at least everyone in the party to know their class (or at least, not be carried) because even Buddha would not have the patience or acceptance for people who willingly (or willfully ignorantly) expect to do less spamming their 1-2-3 combo and still stay in the party. Especially if it's a farming one (where I'd be extremely anal about it, especially if you expect to have the same right to roll on the drops)

[JackFross]

See but that's the point I'm getting to. It's not objectively "wrong" to play the class in a way that's not optimal. You can't make that claim. Even if their rotation doesn't match the ideal base rotation (which I would consider the skill floor of a class - any worse than that and you're barely even playing the class) it's still not technically a WRONG way to play. Could they do better? Yes. Should they do better? Absolutely.

This argument just has two parts:

In a DF group where you didn't choose your members, nobody should be so anal about perfection that they'll kick someone for playing differently/sub-optimally. It's rude to be willfully bad, yes. But it's Duty Finder. I don't know why people expect perfection from randoms who will never see you again.

In a PF group that's intending to clear difficult content or farm outdated content, you should be more than willing and ready to kick people out who aren't pulling their weight. And yes, for DPS, you NEED a parser to see that, definitively. I don't deny this.


The bottom line is people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop expecting DF players to be top of the line with top-level gear doing ace damage all the time. Yeah, some players just don't give a fuck and don't try in dungeons. Does that mean you should get your panties in a bunch and kick them? No. When I DF expert roulette on my dragoon, my runs are rarely longer than 20 minutes. Those times when I err on the side of 20 is when the tank pulls 300 or less and the other dps is 600 or so on bosses. I can't see how 20 minutes is really that much worse than 15 to the point you'd get openly pissed off about some dps not doing their job. Just do your job well and stop whining, basically. If you want faster runs, run with a premade party of people you know and stop using duty finder. :\

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The bottom line is people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop expecting DF players to be top of the line with top-level gear doing ace damage all the time.

The contrary also applies, though.

[RiceisNice]

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And the other side is that you can't objectify or quantify the numbers that people who are deliberately playing bad. Like... if we're throwing out numbers, a DRG can spam heavy thrust and still collectively do around 600 dps. That's nowhere near optimal and would add maybe 5 minutes to a dungeon queue, but if you're doing worse than that and dipping around 300, you have to be doing something like spamming full thrust or alt-tabbng/netflixing during pulls. When a individual can't even be assed to do that little, numbers can help quantify that information. It probably won't change the fact they'd get kicked anyway, but that's just as much as in effect as changing the perspective of people who are overly anal about their dps (which goes back to this, even if they're playing sub optimally, they don't necessarily know because the information isn't quantified, nor can it be safely shared with the current ToS set in place_/

[rappa]

And this is the reason we need a parser ingame.





Blue = pld
Red = bard
Green = healer

To hard to learn your job.

[Kemas]

There's nothing wrong with parsers. If you're against then you probably suck and need to read your skill descriptions and invest some time into maximizing your jobs potential- otherwise you're wasting yours and your party's time. I can't wait for everyone to realize this. There shouldn't be a collective sigh of relief when things go smoothly- but that's almost always the case now.

[Archaell]

There's nothing wrong with parsers. If you're against then you probably suck and need to read your skill descriptions and invest some time into maximizing your jobs potential- otherwise you're wasting yours and your party's time. I can't wait for everyone to realize this. There shouldn't be a collective sigh of relief when things go smoothly- but that's almost always the case now.

It has been mentioned that parsers are like guns. They may not kill people, yet they might kill paying customers - which imho is the main reason they are not supported yet. Btw. you are not wasting your time if you are having fun. When the most important thing is to finish the task as fast as possible, then the reward is more important than "fun" and that's completely different problem.

[Aiselia]

And this is the reason we need a parser ingame.

I don't get it. What part of that demanded the use of a parser?