The Real Problem with Parsers

[Drtoxicmedica]

Actually ravana is doable with everyone pulling roughly 400-450 dps. I've done it with some dps at 300 or lower lol.

Yea...

You realize that's worse than 2.55 dps. Let that sink in. There's absolutely no excuse for this.

[drmambo1999]

I kinda feel like this sort of stuff is already happening quite a bit already even without "official parsers." That being said, I haven't run into too many scenarios where my DPS was brought into question, personally.

I play on PS4 and am personally am intrigued by the notion of knowing the exact numbers behind the damage I do out of sheer curiosity, but I do agree that it can be frustrating when you are trying to find a party for a dungeon/trial and the only group in the PF is looking for perfect speed runs. (I like to think I play my job well enough but I know I am no where near that level yet. XD)

Ultimately I don't really think parsers will dramatically change the community all that much, but I have been just fine with out them as well, so whether they bring us "official" ones or not I don't really mind.

[T2teddy]

couple of nights ago I was in Syrcus Tower in support of a new player friend and there was a WHM in our group who insisted on shouting out how my friend and a couple of other players were pulling way lower dps than anyone else. SHOUTING...in caps and then wanted these three to leave. Syrcus Tower for god sake.

These three were in ST for the very first time and all had AF plus a few bought 115 pieces. Everyone else in the raid were synced down level 60s! Can't imagine why they would be far ahead in the dps hmm?...Guess who got vote kicked unanimously...the screaming parser, whose parting words were quite colorful. I'd guess a lot of the raid reported her.

[Neophyte]

Why should dps get a special treatment?
You can already see if your tank is bad or your healer is bad, I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to see how the dps perform.

If a offtank fails 3x in a row at spotting the second hand in A3 or failing at the tank swap in Bis Ex or losing hate, because he's not doing hate-combo or a healer is not healing... you gonna replace them sooner or later.
But if one or two of the four dps are bad you have to disband the whole group if you're failing?!

[Samsta]

I would really like to see parsers, just because I want to improve my own gameplay. However I also realize that there are people that will abuse these parsers. We have seen them in this thread also. I understand kicking a person if the dungeon really is not progressing and he is really doing something horribly wrong and is not willing to improve. However, I do not understand how someone can be so entitled dickhead that they will kick someone because the numbers they pull means the dungeon will last 10 mins longer. You have to understand that those dungeons are not meant for you alone, you are doing them as a team, and somehow you feel you have the right to waste the time of other people (kicking them) because they will "waste" your precious time by 10 minutes not playing according to your own standards that you alone have created. This is the behaviour of an asshole and you must be a real shitty human being in real life.

[AriaEnia]

I do not understand how someone can be so entitled dickhead that they will kick someone because the numbers they pull means the dungeon will last 10 mins longer. You have to understand that those dungeons are not meant for you alone, you are doing them as a team, and somehow you feel you have the right to waste the time of other people (kicking them) because they will "waste" your precious time by 10 minutes not playing according to your own standards that you alone have created.

Well, there was someone who posted in this thread has this kinda attitude here. In early pages, kinda people I would like to avoid.
Even though I've never been called because my DPS was somehow satisfied "them who use parsers", what they did to other people who didin't, was sickening. Truly despising, the self entitlement and how they feel so good when they bash and bully the ones who don't meet their standard. I'm fine with parsers, but just keep it to yourselves.

[Blitzace]

Honestly, i use parsers, But 99% of the time its to see how i'm doing myself. If i see someone not pulling enough dPS or not Heal enough. idc if we clear it, how ever if this person is the issue that we keep wiping and not being able to get it due him not even passing 300 DPS and being outDPSed by even the tanks/healers. I'm sorry, You gotta go. And i don't need a parser to see who's not doing his part. Just makes it easier.

And thats talking about Primals/Raids(alex savage) Not talking about dungeons. Cause honestly, I'll never kick someone for having low DMG in a dungeon or what ever. i out DPS alot of DPS on my healer/tank. Thats not a reason to kick em.
I can tell they are fresh to the game, is that a valid reason to kick? Hell no. And anyone who does that should be kicked them selfs. If you want a perfect dungeon run 700-1k+ dps from everyone? Go make a nice PF group.

[DGladius]

Not talking about dungeons. Cause honestly, I'll never kick someone for having low DMG in a dungeon or what ever. i out DPS alot of DPS on my healer/tank. Thats not a reason to kick em.

If you want a perfect dungeon run 700-1k+ dps from everyone? Go make a nice PF group.

Here's the thing though, If say a dps has ilvl 200 and i190 gear on where they are able to hit 1000-1200 dps single target and I see them only output in the 500 range, that tells me they are either that bad or being lazy and half-assing it for the run. That to me is unacceptable play when you decide to group up with other players to do content.

Why can't people just learn how to dps in their respective jobs and/or not play as if you don't care at all. I'm not scared of parsers and having ppl see my numbers cause I always perform to as max potential of any tank and dps jobs as much as possible when I join any group for any content.

[Aiselia]

Why can't people just learn how to dps

Why can't people just learn how to create their own groups if they want to control the rest of their group instead of trying to force a random group to conform to their standards?

If you parse someone and shame them and waste their queue time by kicking them, how do you know their random replacement is going to be any better or maybe even worse? Are you just going to kick them too and waste their queue time too?

[Isala]

Why can't people just learn how to create their own groups if they want to control the rest of their group instead of trying to force a random group to conform to their standards?

If you parse someone and shame them and waste their queue time by kicking them, how do you know their random replacement is going to be any better or maybe even worse? Are you just going to kick them too and waste their queue time too?

And that's why the majority rule is a glorious thing. If the majority of the group think you're a waste of space because you can't play, that means you get the boot. If the majority is willing to put up with, and even carry you, then you get to stay. But I do find it personally amusing that you call it wasting their queue time, when that's precisely what they're doing for the other 3/7 players because they can't be arsed to play right.