Lets nerf WAR :D

[Ercapote]

I'm a former PALADIN and I don't think WAR should be nerfed all the contrary, hey should rise the level to war instead of lowering war one, why in the hell would you want a class to be "less fun" anyone in their sane mind would not like that, PALADIN is currently boring I switch to war because I coulnt stand PLD "easiness" "dull" "simplistic" gameplay, lowering that bar to be an STANDAR is just the wrong approach and the worse case scenario, why would anyone want nerf instead of buff as a mean for balance? anyways, no.

imo this threat is just a joke to salt some war out of the water...

[Isius]

This thread is sure active for how old it is lol

the only nerf in FFxiv:ARR's history was the bard, which was so OP there was no need to bring a melee (except maybe for the LB ? but the mage could do it).

The WAR isn't game breaking, and thus won't be nerfed. If SE does anything, they'll most likely buff PLDs a bit.

Actually I can think of another class that was nerfed in FFXIV:ARR history, SMN. Nerfed their single target and aoe dmg by making Bane only spread dots to an additional 3 targets from your main target, and they also removed thunder as a cross class from SMN, and gave them blizzard II instead. Recently Bane now works again on all near by targets with only a 50% dmg from the original target in HW, and we can already see how powerful Bane is against multiple targets again, again at only 50% of it's original damage.

@OP Do I believe Warrior needs to be nerfed, idk. But what I do believe for a long time now is all tanks do need to be reworked in general, so any tank combination is possible where each tank is viable choices as MTs, and as OTs. Tanks need to be able to tank, just like dps need to dps, and healers need to heal..reason why AST needed it's buff on healing.

[Ultimatecalibur]

the only nerf in FFxiv:ARR's history was the bard, which was so OP there was no need to bring a melee (except maybe for the LB ? but the mage could do it).

The WAR isn't game breaking, and thus won't be nerfed. If SE does anything, they'll most likely buff PLDs a bit.

Wrong. From the patch 2.45 patch notes:

Rogue

Action Adjustment
Aeolian Edge TP cost has been increased from 50 to 60.
Shadow Fang TP cost has been increased from 60 to 70.
Kiss of the Wasp The increased damage effect now only applies to physical attacks.
Kiss of the Viper The increased damage effect now only applies to physical attacks.

This was in the same sub-patch that buffed Dragoon damage and survivablity. They equalized the DRG, MNK and NIN around the MNK's capabilities.

[SpookyGhost]

Nerfed their single target and aoe dmg by making Bane only spread dots to an additional 3 targets from your main target

It was always that way, tooltip got fixed.

[Isius]

^No it wasn't back in 2.0 you could Bane as many targets at possible from your Bane target as long as everything was clumped together. Don't lie. I was playing SMN at the time.

[SpookyGhost]

^No it wasn't back in 2.0 you could Bane as many targets at possible from your Bane target as long as everything was clumped together. Don't lie. I was playing SMN at the time.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but I could've sworn it was always 3 targets. I'll ask my bf whenever he returns, he mained SMN since 2.0 as well. Sorry for saying that as if it were 100% fact, though - should've clarified that that's just what I recall.

e: Bf doesn't recall. Checked 2.1 notes and it says they removed Thunder from all crossclass but only changed the range for Bane (5y to 8y). Was it before/after 2.1 or something?

[Isius]

Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but I could've sworn it was always 3 targets. I'll ask my bf whenever he returns, he mained SMN since 2.0 as well. Sorry for saying that as if it were 100% fact, though - should've clarified that that's just what I recall.

It was shorted lived anyways I think. SMN's dmg was nerfed befored 2.1 if I remember right, because it was really high. But my original statement was to the other guy stating that there has been other classes nerfed before, but is it common practice from SE, no.

Edit: I just read the 2.1 patch notes. The SMN nerf was pre 2.1, more in the lines of a 2.05 patch or something. I remember since I swapped to PLD after the nerf. I just thought why should I play a smn when the other mage class blm could still flare/fire II every single mob while smn couldn't anymore. So I went PLD to go back to my roots since I liked tanking more then dpsing. But I do remember none of the new stuff was out at the time like CT, Copperbell hm, etc. The tooltip error was likely leftover from the nerf, and SE didn't change the description of the skill to reflect the new changes.

[Metalwrath]

The only change Warrior needs is the animation for decimate.For such a mighty move it lacks the animation to create that impact.Should make it create a huge explosion.Possibly maybe even make the entire screen shake too and give a 2 second stun to all enemies on map.
Also for stance dancing the cooldown on our stances is a bit too long.I think it needs to be shortened for better stance swapping.
And seeming as tanks don't really need tank LB maybe change warrior lb to super fell cleave.Which is single target damage lb which can work with bloodbath to restore warrior to full hp.

[MeeYow]

PLD and DRK have clunky kit still so they need changes regardless of what happens to WAR, but WAR nerfs are justified regardless as it has no notable weakness, in fact it excels at almost everything.

It either needs to be a jack of all trades/master of none and therefore toned down across the board, in an attempt to make a scenario where any tank combo is equally useful, or have one or two areas of its kit substantially nerfed so that like PLD and DRK there are scenarios where WAR is unfavourable, rather than most content (everything except A4S) being a question of whether to take one WAR or two.

Unfortunately SE have decided to make WAR an uncontested dps tank and this means making the jack of all trades route not an option, so either one part of WAR needs to be nerfed hard, other aspects of its kit need a noticable trim.

Equilibrium TP is a joke and people saying it is absolutely necessary because WAR can overwhelm spam has been completely spoilt by the current state of WAR.

[ChameleonMS]

...as tanks don't really need tank LB maybe change warrior lb to super fell cleave...

Ohh.... I like this but I go one further.
Since, all the tanks have a DPS and Tank stance, have the LB actual reflect the stance.
While under Grit/Shield Oath/Definance - Tank LB, otherwise DPS LB.