How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[whiskeybravo]

Yea our war was still used to HG'ing the second wash so it didn't work out because he was rooted instead of moving. It just takes adjustments. Got up to 3 lasers with double hands so that's a nice improvement. I just said eff it and they both got GK during equal lol

[JackFross]

You shouldn't have to hold GSK or DFD during Equal, nor should your SMN feel obligated to hold Deathflare or your MNK Elixir Field/Drive (I never remember which word it is). Especially at this gear level, the check shouldn't be tight enough to cause an incidental GSK/DFD/DF/Elixir crit on the wrong one to break your burn.

Theoretically, we shouldn't even feel pressured to hold Battle Litany or Blood for Blood for it, but I still do both of those, so meh.

[Maero]

Thank you very much for the guide.
I just recently returned to dragoon after leveling my Black Mage, Bard, Nin, PLD, Sch and smn to 60 and i am lost on my drg, totally forgot my rotation, lol

[Bloodborn8]

In A3S, I only ever hold Spineshatter for if I fail a wash-away cancel with jump and DFD to hit on 2 mobs. Recently I've been as high as 1425 DPS right after hand phase, normally around 1375-1400. I get 9 GSKs off once hand phase is done, the 9th is usually just before the hands go invulnerable. I wish I could see my numbers if my group ran a MCH and/or NIN or my SCH used Selene.

[whiskeybravo]

stuff

Yea whenever I run something without a sch it feels like slow motion lol

I wanted to move BotD up since I'm not using potion in opener, but that kinda messes with when it comes off CD after transition doesn't it? I only get 2 GK in first phase, but moving it up would allow for 3 as you've spelled out there.

[JackFross]

I wanted to move BotD up since I'm not using potion in opener, but that kinda messes with when it comes off CD after transition doesn't it? I only get 2 GK in first phase, but moving it up would allow for 3 as you've spelled out there.

Well in second phase (before tonight, since I'll be doing something a bit different) I would usually:

>Dis>CT>[IR]>HT>[PS+Leg]>VT>[Life+BotD]>FT>{try to cancel with:}[Jump]>{if failed:}[SSD]>4th>Phleb>[GSK]>ID>Dis>CT>4th>HT>TT>VT>FT>4th>{try to cheese second Wash Away with Jump}

There's other stuff in there after the SSD, but I forget exactly with oGCDs are there and when I hit them; B4B comes back sometime there, but I hold it. I also use SSD in that following combo set if I missed the Jump cancel. Pretty sure there's a Leg Sweep, and I usually burn another GSK right before that last 4th hit sometime. If Jump fails to cancel, I Elusive back to mid and chase the hand at the middle to the edge with a CT combo + GSK3 as they re-stack, re-up BotD and you should be able to burn through 2-3 GSK before phase if you do it right, at least 2 of them on the stacked hands.

In short, it makes it a bit awkward in that you skip a 4th hit, yeah, but it's a dps gain in the long run, since the runoff from the phase transition means you'll only get 2 GSK in that first minute if you DON'T do it that way, and +200 free potency I'm fairly sure is gonna be better than keeping the full rotation and having to Full Thrust *after* the knockback which just makes things a bit more awkward, in my experience (since I used to do it that way). Also note BotD will still be back up before your Jump hits, so it won't make too big a difference.

[Scum]

You shouldn't have to hold GSK or DFD during Equal, nor should your SMN feel obligated to hold Deathflare or your MNK Elixir Field/Drive (I never remember which word it is). Especially at this gear level, the check shouldn't be tight enough to cause an incidental GSK/DFD/DF/Elixir crit on the wrong one to break your burn.

Theoretically, we shouldn't even feel pressured to hold Battle Litany or Blood for Blood for it, but I still do both of those, so meh.

You're absolutely right, but id suggest doing it because if the digititis pass gets messed up you'll probably need those CDs.

I've done it with 1 dps debuffed, but its definitely tight enough for those things to make a difference.

[whiskeybravo]

Feels like a wash, really. Extra GK vs extra 4th

I'm still saving my B4B for concentration. We have been using melee lb as well, so I pop B4B and pot there to help push. This coming week we going to stop using LB since we are getting to 3% difference with it.

[whiskeybravo]

You're absolutely right, but id suggest doing it because if the digititis pass gets messed up you'll probably need those CDs.

The issue wasn't that so much as sometimes there would be dots on the one that didn't need to be dps, so all those aoe moves in addition to the dots were doing too much damage to the off hand. The SMN and I changed up our rotations a bit so dot's fall off by concentration, with that we are able to use the incidental aoe without worrying

[Aiurily]

bfb for concentration makes more sense for the fight overall

... bfb on cd makes more sense for getting bigger parse numbers :^) (bfb asap, then once in add phase, and save the next for last phase)