So whose ready to remove ranks?

[Alahra]

There's already a bunch of incentive already. titles, mounts, commander's set, the previous sets of pvp gear have had their rank requirement removed so you can collect that gear while you're waiting on the 180 set, Eso and Poetic tomestones. I don't know what else you think there needs to be?

Titles are irrelevant to me as I never use anything but a particular one. Mounts are irrelevant because I only use chocobos, and I think the Commander's set is ugly, as are all the PvP sets. All of those are essentially cosmetic incentives outside of Esoterics and Poetics (both of which are generally gained more quickly through other content).

Contrary to your narrow-minded view, I do, in fact, care about PvP, and find the grind to be rather intimidating to the point where it takes the fun out of actually doing it. This is a progression oriented game, with most of that progression tied to gear--and there is no gear progression in PvP presently until you've done several hundred matches. That's silly.

Yes, the top gear should be for the dedicated PvPers, but that doesn't mean there can't also be lesser level 60 gear for people to acquire on the way up.

[TiaHariberux3]

So much complaining here they shouldn't remove ranks maybe give more Gear Sets or Glamour Sets + the grind isnt "that" bad if u like PvP. Also some PvP pieces are better than Eso/Alexander normal (for example the tank chest).

[RiceisNice]

Yes, the top gear should be for the dedicated PvPers, but that doesn't mean there can't also be lesser level 60 gear for people to acquire on the way up.

The lesser gear would be pointless it'd still level sync everything unless we were talking wolves' den. It'd also be a completely different set entirely from the rank 50 one and they'd probably end up reusing models. You're right there's no progression to PvP gear, but there's no meaningful content to actually use the PvP gear; The benefits of their secondary stats are at best negligible in seal rock and lvl 60 wolves den is still far far off, that it's kinda pointless to ask for a reduction in ranks when you could be gainin them right now (assuming you're that interested into PvP to begin with, which is the difference between just doing it to get glamour pieces which may be the case for some people here).

I'm rank 42 with around 398 matches, and I hate PvP (specifically, I hate frontlines and how it's presented). I don't do dozens of matches every day like a hardcore PvPer would (average around 30-40 matches per week over the course of 8 or so, and I'd probably hit rank 50 at this rate within the next 2-3 weeks at the rate I'm going. The grind isn't as bad as making it out to be (honestly, 7 weeks of matches every day and still only rank 17? Even if you were doing 2 per day and got dead last every single time you'd be at least rank 20 as someone pointed out, and this isn't even factoring roulette bonus or challenge log), and if you're the sort of person that only does 1 per day, well I don't think you're that big into PvP to begin with, long queue times or not.

What I can agree with is that the pvp exp reward has a huge discrepancy between 3rd/2nd and 1st that second place is effectively "first to lose" because there's no meaning behind it, and it's utterly frustrating in a three-way format (and this is across the board with achievements and even online trackers).

[TiaHariberux3]

Lol you hating PvP but you play it anyways? dat logic

[RiceisNice]

Lol you hating PvP but you play it anyways? dat logic

All the motivation I need. I'm retiring to my estate as soon as I hit 200 wins. Maybe until wolves den. I severely dislike large scale fights, it gets too disorganized at times. Espesically 3-way objective ones where it's not so much being outplayed by the other team, but one team that wants to screw you over the entire game.

[Alahra]

The lesser gear would be pointless it'd still level sync everything unless we were talking wolves' den.

It wouldn't be pointless. It wouldn't have accuracy (most PvP gear is Crit/Det weighted), and Morale pushes the item level higher than the level sync. While you can collect other gear in PvE that won't have accuracy and cobble together a decent set, it's not as satisfying in terms of a reward structure. If there was starter gear, there'd be something to keep you going (and given how you end up swamped with Marks long before you're anywhere near getting your Rank 46+ stuff, it would certainly "feel" good to be able to spend it on something you can actually use).

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Dear Lord, another thread from the Harbinger of change, Nekulotos.

Please folks lets this die, he just does this to get into post wars with people who actually understand what is going on. He'll argue every valid point you make. It is useless, refer to his many other threads for verification.

Titles are irrelevant to me as I never use anything but a particular one. Mounts are irrelevant because I only use chocobos, and I think the Commander's set is ugly, as are all the PvP sets. All of those are essentially cosmetic incentives outside of Esoterics and Poetics (both of which are generally gained more quickly through other content).

Contrary to your narrow-minded view, I do, in fact, care about PvP, and find the grind to be rather intimidating to the point where it takes the fun out of actually doing it. This is a progression oriented game, with most of that progression tied to gear--and there is no gear progression in PvP presently until you've done several hundred matches. That's silly.

Yes, the top gear should be for the dedicated PvPers, but that doesn't mean there can't also be lesser level 60 gear for people to acquire on the way up.

Agree 100% =)

Yes, like every other part of the game there is gear that you gain as you go. You also if you earn the higher level 60 gear you can use it to help you get closer to the next piece.

The current "PVP RANK SYSTEM" has no progression to it. So it punishes you until the end unlike the rest of the game.

If other parts of the game did this... you would have a DEAD GAME.

It wouldn't be pointless. It wouldn't have accuracy (most PvP gear is Crit/Det weighted), and Morale pushes the item level higher than the level sync. While you can collect other gear in PvE that won't have accuracy and cobble together a decent set, it's not as satisfying in terms of a reward structure. If there was starter gear, there'd be something to keep you going (and given how you end up swamped with Marks long before you're anywhere near getting your Rank 46+ stuff, it would certainly "feel" good to be able to spend it on something you can actually use).

Yep, that is my main issue. There is nothing to spend it on, and you just have it pooling. There is no Progression...

[Iagainsti]

The current "PVP RANK SYSTEM" has no progression to it. So it punishes you until the end unlike the rest of the game.

It does have progression in the form of merit points to allocate to your pvp abilities, far more important than any gear you could buy with marks. Right now all pvp can be done without morale in i160s, so do the grind like we all did back in 2.2-now, and get your gear ready for ranked WD(Sorry you came late to the pvp party, but that doesn't excuse you from the same exp requirements that we went through).

[Nektulos-Tuor]

It does have progression in the form of merit points to allocate to your pvp abilities, far more important than any gear you could buy with marks. Right now all pvp can be done without morale in i160s, so do the grind like we all did back in 2.2-now, and get your gear ready for ranked WD(Sorry you came late to the pvp party, but that doesn't excuse you from the same exp requirements that we went through).

Progression is earning gear on the way to high level rank you can use. You don't start "Progression" until you can do the zones that get you high level gear.

You earn each piece and wear it until you get your next pieces until you have a full set. That is "Progression."

There is no progression in PvP.

The "Merit Points" are useless unless you are not in a PvP zone, thus there is no progression. Progression is the rewards you show your friends and guildmates after beating a boss. (Aka like wearing a piece of gear.) and you get more and more as you play.

[RiceisNice]

Yep, that is my main issue. There is nothing to spend it on, and you just have it pooling. There is no Progression...

I thought you wanted to remove rank restriction on the high end gear so that you can use it, not spending points. So in that in perspective, you'd be fine if the current requirement stays, but you can buy ilvl 150 gear at rank 40 and lower which are remodels of dungeon sets.