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  1. #91
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    While ranks should not go away,it's the only progression we have besides achievements, and it's not a bad system, the grind is just way too large as it stands right now.

    If you have a perfectly distributed winrate it would take 584 matches (*) just to get to 46 , which is the rank you can start using the current left-side gear.
    That's just insane and completely unreasonable for new players and this is not the way we can get the pvp community to grow.
    The grind needs to be heavily compressed for at least the rank 1 through 35 period so that it doesn't take more than 150-200 matches to get to rank 46 or so. It would be specially atrocious if they made the gear relevant again and people had to go through this grind to get it..
    I'm my opinion it should go even further if they made the gear relevant again, the gear rank requirement should be more spread out through all the ranks we have say something like accessories at 25, boots and belt at 30 and so on. There's no point in having people go through that insane grind just to get the first current piece, it's specially ironic how the grind from 45-50 isn't even that harsh compared to 1-45. This way people would get some extra motivation as they go and possibly play more.

    * - yes log and roulette reduces this somewhat depending on how much you play but the log is basically useless until the upper ranks and 1 free win per day doesn't make the grind reasonable either
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    Last edited by Pibz; 09-18-2015 at 08:22 PM.

  2. #92
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    TiaHariberux3's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synestra View Post
    38 matches is pretty small sample size specially if you are solo-queing, sometimes you can get 7 wins in a row or 7 loses in a row so if those happens inside 38 matches it kinda screws statistics. Now do a 100-150 matches in a week and see what W/L ratio you have after that(should be near 30% or more).
    Hmm if I look at CHAOS datacenter most of Adder are like this I doubt 30% is average for adder atleast not for the majority.
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  3. #93
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    I don't think the ranks should be removed, but I think it's rather strange that they weren't reset in some fashion when the expansion dropped. You don't have to have done BCOB, SCOB, and FCOB to start Alexander (Savage) and get that raid gear, but you do essentially have to work your way through all the previous expansion's PvP ranks to get the new PvP gear.

    There should also probably be some sort of gear (maybe i150 or i160) that's level 60 and doesn't have a rank requirement, so people can actually get something for their efforts while grinding out the several hundred matches they need.
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    Last edited by Alahra; 09-21-2015 at 06:57 AM.

  4. #94
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    M'eraldia Wetea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alahra View Post
    There should also probably be some sort of gear (maybe i150 or i160) that's level 60 and doesn't have a rank requirement, so people can actually get something for their efforts while grinding out the several hundred matches they need.
    Making it i170 +20 moral would have been a good way to prepare for WD update. Newer players who wanted to take it seriously would have had a gear set to go and play with, and for people farming their way to 50, something to actually spend their marks on that they can use rather than holding 2-4 sets of i180 gear for a couple of months lol

    Hell, maybe that would even offer an additional incentive to esocasuals to play and give it a legit shot.
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetea View Post
    Hell, maybe that would even offer an additional incentive to esocasuals to play and give it a legit shot.
    I'm relatively casual about PvP here and while I want the gear eventually, I don't enjoy it enough to really do more than my roulette most days. (I have a lot of complaints about the set up, but I used to PvP almost exclusively for much of WoW, so I still get the itch pretty often). But the sheer number of ranks before I can really get any PvP gear is pretty discouraging. I'm rank 27, plus or minus a rank or two, and I still have a long way to go really). It doesn't help that queue times for my GC are awful, of course.
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  6. #96
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    I agree completely. Its a long uphill march to the i180 gear, and new players who might otherwise be legit interested in pvp might get put off. I fully support a second set of gear being put in to keep players interested while they grind slowly towards 50. Even better if it could be useful in level 60 WD, since I fear WD might be a very new player unfriendly experience.

    I do think that there needs to be an incentive to new pvpers, or we risk stagnating, and queues are already lackluster for a lot of players.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetea View Post
    I do think that there needs to be an incentive to new pvpers, or we risk stagnating, and queues are already lackluster for a lot of players.
    That's why I think it's so strange they didn't reset rank in some fashion, really. If this becomes a pattern, then by the end of Heavensward, we won't be talking about a 50-rank mountain: it'll be a ~75-rank one that's growing. That's incredibly unfriendly. Even if they make a point to put in starter gear, it's going to at some point feel insurmountable to anyone who hasn't kept up with the ranks.
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  8. #98
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    And if ranks keep growing in exp/rank as they have been, it will be something annoying like the exp it took to get 1-50 will be the exp needed to go from 50-75 or some other such nightmare.

    But I could see how veteran pvpers wouldnt enjoy their hard work being removed like much of the other hardwork that HW undid rather quickly.

    Not a very easy solution to find.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetea View Post
    But I could see how veteran pvpers wouldnt enjoy their hard work being removed like much of the other hardwork that HW undid rather quickly.
    Unfortunately that's the nature of vertical progression games. Even the relic grind is getting a "reset." Nobody wants their hard work invalidated, but PvP is really the only aspect of the game that didn't get some form of a blank slate for the expansion, and as mentioned, eventually, it's just going to mean no one is PvPing unless they do something about it.
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  10. #100
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    The Liar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetea View Post
    I do think that there needs to be an incentive to new pvpers, or we risk stagnating, and queues are already lackluster for a lot of players.
    There's already a bunch of incentive already. titles, mounts, commander's set, the previous sets of pvp gear have had their rank requirement removed so you can collect that gear while you're waiting on the 180 set, Eso and Poetic tomestones. I don't know what else you think there needs to be?

    I mean, if they don't care about all that and the pvp itself isn't enough to keep them playing, then they just don't care about pvp. And if they don't care about pvp, then they're among the majority of people coming in looking to grab a set of 180 pvp gear to glamour and never come back.

    The 180 set is reserved for the hardcore pvpers, just like the dyeable Gordian set is reserved for the hardcore raiders, just like the kirin mount/zeta weapons/death mask blah blah etc etc.
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