Dear Yoshi P: What is your vision?

[Azurymber]

Because usually when an MMO is released it's in it's finished form, and the player-base consists of people looking for content that the game holds, and then from that point on things are simple added that usually revolves around that kind of content.

In the case of FFXIV, because it's being 're-made' from it's original design, it allows Yoshi to see what parts people do and don't like about what the game currently holds, get rid of things that nobody likes, tweak things that people do like, and then add things that people want. People on this want both open-world and instanced content.
In the case of Warcraft people wanted mostly just instanced content, so world bosses and things were eventually phased out as no one bothered with them. Warhammer Online concentrated on open world PvP aspects because that's what many of it's players wanted more of, and so on.

I see your point.
But others can do the same thing you claim FFXIV has the opportunity to do via expansion packs
Further all games beta test and many make significant changes based on player responses in beta tests (SW TOR for example cancelled this weeks beta because they have so much to do based on previous ones)
Unlike this game who beta tested and then literally released exactly what we had in beta (which surprised almost everyone)

And there is no way for Yoshi to see what people like and don't like without statistically accurate player polls and those are nearly impossible.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

And why would that work? Wouldn't every game pull that off if it was easy? Because it would guarantee them a bigger player base? But they don't.... I wonder why.....

Yeah, but with content (at least for this game) it's pretty easy. Just alternate between open world content and instances. Which seems like what they're doing. They seem to be putting their foot down on certain things anyway, like the claiming issue and crafting.

[Azurymber]

Azur, you can't expect a plethora of people to contribute to such things. I prefer reading them myself I don't always have the time to write up what I know in a proper enough format.

When the game relaunches, expect such information to be high in demand, but for now it's not really what people are here for.

I expect this.

But if everyone is having fun and such and really cared about this game they would contribute knowing it would benefit everyone.

If no one is contributing it means very few people care about the game.
If new players at relaunch join a game where theres no wiki, they will assume its horrible and quit
even free MMOs have updated wikis.

None of the databases managed to pull together at launch, so i see no reason why they would suddenly pull together at relaunch unless a community of people who -really- want there to be a good future for the game forms. And right now that's seriously lacking.

[Konachibi]

I see your point.
But others can do the same thing you claim FFXIV has the opportunity to do via expansion packs
Further all games beta test and many make significant changes based on player responses in beta tests (SW TOR for example cancelled this weeks beta because they have so much to do based on previous ones)
Unlike this game who beta tested and then literally released exactly what we had in beta (which surprised almost everyone)

And there is no way for Yoshi to see what people like and don't like without statistically accurate player polls and those are nearly impossible.

Actually to discover what people do and don't like, Yoshi added forums that community reps looked through to see what people are praising about the game and what people are raging about in the game. Forums are an excellent way to see what kind of player-base your game has and what they like about the game, even if it does get a lot of flamers and trolls.

This in turn helps them decide on what kind of content to add to the game sooner rather than later, to make everyone happy.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

I've posted many times that I am quite happy.
I'm not happy with a community that doesn't contribute things of value. I have a solo guide that explains in detail something that every person on this board told me was impossible.
I have a lore guide that no one is contributing too.

I want other people to enjoy this game, hence why i waste hours of my time writing up guides that let people solo, organize the games lore, tell people how to make gil and tell people cool things to see and where to explore.

The fact the wiki's are dead and I can't get moderate amount of content support on these boards shows that most people are disinterested.

I want people to be interested and have an incentive to play.

Haven't you thought that people just don't want to read your lore guide or your solo guide? I prefer to find out things on my own, also I rather read about the lore in the game not on the forums. Thanks for your hard work, but I think most people have no use for it or rather do things on their own and that's not the game's fault.

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If no one is contributing it means very few people care about the game.
If new players at relaunch join a game where theres no wiki, they will assume its horrible and quit
even free MMOs have updated wikis.

None of the databases managed to pull together at launch, so i see no reason why they would suddenly pull together at relaunch unless a community of people who -really- want there to be a good future for the game forms. And right now that's seriously lacking.

IMO MMOs shouldn't need a wiki, especially a recently released one. You should be able to find whatever you looking for in the game with ease. I think they should only have a wiki for items because people like to compare weapon stats.

[User201109011315]

Yeah, but with content (at least for this game) it's pretty easy. Just alternate between open world content and instances. Which seems like what they're doing. They seem to be putting their foot down on certain things anyway, like the claiming issue and crafting.

Yes but WHY are they putting their foot down? That's the whole point of this thread, to know WHY they do things and what the game INTENDS TO BE LIKE.

People need to know what they are signing up for.

[weeble]

Haven't you thought that people just don't want to read your lore guide or your solo guide? I prefer to find out things on my own, also I rather read about the lore in the game not on the forums. Thanks for your hard work, but I think most people have no use for it or rather do things on their own and that's not the game's fault.

not seen the posts or know why either, i will chalk it up to the game and what hedge said.

but i just wanted to throw my opinion on this lol, i wish there was a way to remove the internet from mmo's, i know right a online game with people but no way of reading guides and crap. can u imagine everyone having to figure out how to do things themselves or players that figure them out having to acually show people in game they want to show only. i just think it would make mmo's more fun without. ffxi ...u had to read the how to for missions, if u didn't then u didn't know what to expect, and then u make a party to go do it ..u had to tell em what to do. if u tell em lets just figure it out in if they don't go run right away they will in a try or 2. is why i love a fresh new game, new content that hasn't even been beat like the way we at now. trying batral b4 the vids and stuff cause there were no vids.

[Konachibi]

Yes but WHY are they putting their foot down? That's the whole point of this thread, to know WHY they do things and what the game INTENDS TO BE LIKE.

People need to know what they are signing up for.

You're signing up for what COULD in the future be the greatest fantasy online multiplayer game the world has ever seen.

It's up to you whether you stick around and pre-emptively prepare your character for what is to come, whether to leave and come back when the content is in then level up your character, or leave entirely and go to a different game.

Personally I'm sticking around, I can see a great deal of potential in this game and I'm prepared to be patient and watch it grow.

[Rhomagus]

Yes but WHY are they putting their foot down? That's the whole point of this thread, to know WHY they do things and what the game INTENDS TO BE LIKE.

People need to know what they are signing up for.

And it's there... you won't get an accurate response from the player base because the player base is not the development team. You can see the vision and direction with the currently available information.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Yes but WHY are they putting their foot down? That's the whole point of this thread, to know WHY they do things and what the game INTENDS TO BE LIKE.

People need to know what they are signing up for.

Read the Japanese to English translation thread. Yoshi gives reasons why they're changing stuff. Maybe stuff you don't want to hear, but it's there.