Which tank generates more hate/aggro?

[Gamer3427]

I actually get more nervous healing DRKs than I do WARs.

That seems to be the case for some people, but I've never had any issues with DRKs. Meanwhile, post 50, every WAR I play with is particularly difficult to keep alive. I guess it's just bad luck in regards to players of that class on my datacenter?

[RyuRoots]

That seems to be the case for some people, but I've never had any issues with DRKs. Meanwhile, post 50, every WAR I play with is particularly difficult to keep alive. I guess it's just bad luck in regards to players of that class on my datacenter?

It's not just you. I could put in single digits the number of Warriors I've healed that didn't feel like they were made of wet tissue paper.

All of them will pull enough enmity, but WAR will do the highest dps.

Which is the only concern 99% of Warriors seem to have, even in single tank content.

[Adire]

That seems to be the case for some people, but I've never had any issues with DRKs. Meanwhile, post 50, every WAR I play with is particularly difficult to keep alive. I guess it's just bad luck in regards to players of that class on my datacenter?

That's possible. Healing a WAR in Deliverance can be particularly dicey, especially if they switch at a bad time.

The thing with WAR is, it's all about balancing DPS and mitigation. The only "free" cooldowns WAR has are Convalescence, Foresight (which sucks), Vengeance, Thrill of Battle, Awareness (if said WAR takes that, and it's really good to have with Raw Intuition for trash since you'll likely take crits without it), and Raw Intuition. Edit: Forgot Bloodbath

The rest of WAR's mitigation all comes from trading damage (or TP in Equilibrium's case) off for it. I.e. keeping up Storm's Path instead of Storm's Eye, using Inner Beast instead of Fel Cleave, etc.

A perfectly played WAR will maximize damage when the damage they're taking is at a minimum, and maximize mitigation when damage being taken is high.

The good thing is, it doesn't take a WAR long to dish out huge damage before they can switch back to Defiance. And stance dancing doesn't break combos or use a GCD.. So if a WAR does choose to stance dance to dish out that damage, they can do it quickly without being super squishy for long. Me for example, I pop at least one "free" cooldown (usually Bloodbath or more, like Vengeance) while I'm in Deliverance, so that reduces the squishiness problem a bit.

That's probably another reason you see Paladins being noticeably easier to heal. Most don't bother stance dancing since it's so clunky and they can't do good long term damage without staying in sword oath.

So most end up staying in Shield Oath, which will obviously make them easier to heal than a stance dancing Warrior, especially if the Warrior doesn't do it correctly. But done correctly, the time they're in Deliverance won't be long or cause too much stress. And the extra damage will be nice!

[SuddenStorm8]

That seems to be the case for some people, but I've never had any issues with DRKs. Meanwhile, post 50, every WAR I play with is particularly difficult to keep alive. I guess it's just bad luck in regards to players of that class on my datacenter?

I get the WARs who pop Raw Intuition on trash pulls then dance around to dodge AOEs leading them to take an enormous number of CRITs from mobs or who are constantly swapping to Deliverance fluctuating their max HP.
I know Fell Cleave is stupidly op but I prefer if WARs use inner beast so I can DPS myself rather than having to heal the tank who is constantly making himself squishy for periods of time and making me heal that chunk of his HP he is losing and gaining all the time

[Adire]

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That's just poor play. A good warrior will use Awareness with Raw Intuition when there are going to be mobs hitting them from anywhere but the front (Awareness nullifies Raw Intuition's crits), and will pop at least one cooldown to offset having no Defiance mitigation while in Deliverance.

Vengeance for example with Bloodbath will make WARs have great self healing for trash particularly, and a 30% damage reduction (which is higher than PLD's Shield Oath) for most of the time they're in Deliverance. Add on the huge self heals you get from Fel Cleaving or Decimating while Bloodbath is up, and you've got nice mitigation.

And the worst case scenario is that you have to do intensive healing for the short time the WAR is in Deliverance. It's not that bad as long as you're paying attention and the damage the WAR is dealing while in it for that short time is worth the very temporary healer dps trade off.

[SpookyGhost]

That's just poor play. A good warrior will use Awareness with Raw Intuition when there are going to be mobs hitting them from anywhere but the front

This is actually a really annoying thing in terms of tanking packs of mobs, because RI lasts 20s and Awareness (crossclassed) lasts only 15s. So whenever you pop it, you'll have 5s where you're able to be crit multiple times unless everything dies in 15s. I usually only use RI in small pulls where I can keep the mobs in front of me (think last wave of A2S with Jagd + Walker) or vs single target. It's just a really risky CD for packs, even with Awareness. Still, if you've got nothing else available, I suppose it's better than using nothing at all (only with Awareness, obv).

[Adire]

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That's why you just right click Raw Intuition off when Awareness is about to fall off

But yeah, RI is still a bit risky to use on trash if you don't think you'll be able to right click it off when you need to. If anything you can just use it and immediately click it off I suppose just for the extra Abandon/Wrath stack

[SpookyGhost]

That's why you just right click Raw Intuition off when Awareness is about to fall off

But yeah, RI is still a bit risky to use on trash if you don't think you'll be able to right click it off when you need to. If anything you can just use it and immediately click it off I suppose just for the extra Abandon/Wrath stack

That's what I usually use it for, or when I'm 4/5 Wrath going into a boss to have the mitigation + Unchained without needing to Infuriate. I'd also click it off on trash, and I can typically do that in Fractal, but Neverreap... different story. D;