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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomagus View Post
    Cite your sources. Then we'll talk. You'll have to show that your Immersion v. Spatial Presence is not an idea of your own and support it with outside sources in order to persuasively make me think that immersion can be objective. I also already read it when you posted it the first time. I just didn't buy it.

    I also said that mechanics can be immersion, not necessarily that they always are. Pong can be immersive, the mechanic of a dot being bounced back and forth is the catalyst for the consumer's imagination. The level of immersion in Pong is defined by the player. They could choose to focus solely on the manipulation of their "paddle" to make sure the ball stays in play. They could choose to play defensively or offensively (taking immersion a step further). They could utilize a mixture of both in order to confuse their opponent (even further). They could even pretend the match was table tennis (even further). They could roleplay as their favorite pro tennis athlete (even further). The last is common in youth sports. In childhood pickup games before going in for a lay up or a jump shot from beyond the three point line the player may shout the name of their most admired professional athlete in an attempt to emulate them.

    "Jordan!"

    I've shown, and many other posters have already shown, how a person's level of immersion is primarily chosen not given. I suggest you read Konachibi's posts. They accurately show how immersion is subjective. Game mechanics act as the catalyst for immersion. Immersion for immersion's sake is considerably less immersive than if it were to involve player input as well.
    If this conversation has come down to the "cite your sources" argument, which I'm sure would have turned into "unless your citing scholarly journals i don't buy it blah blah blah". I'm going to just walk away from this one, had I known in order to "humble" you i needed to develop a thesis with full work cited i would have reconsidered this conversation as a whole (this is a forum for the love of god). What would be the next thing you asked for, an annotated bibliography?

    You seem to me to be a decent person just not very humbled is all, i wish you fun and great times in FF14.

    P.S. I apologies for not reading your link directions earlier, i must have skimmed over that accidentally.
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