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  1. #91
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    I figured out something else today after HQing 10/10 different parts using my MaMa Careful Synth rotation ... You can start off assuming you are using the "Normal Progress" version... and if you fail one or two more totes than your "Normal Progress" would tolerate, you can flip to the "Extra Progress" version (getting 100 extra progress from all careful synths being IngII rather than just five).

    I really badly need to record some video today or tomorrow morning and show and talk about how I operate this rotation and some of the more dynamic choices which occur and what the best options are.
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  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN_14 View Post
    The strategy described here is actually to use flawless synthesis as a method of baiting goods.
    Ah, I missed that. I have not collected enough data to know for sure, but Goods seem extremely rare on L60 2-star recipes, so baiting Goods or counting on them is something I am reluctant to put a lot of effort into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Ah, I missed that. I have not collected enough data to know for sure, but Goods seem extremely rare on L60 2-star recipes, so baiting Goods or counting on them is something I am reluctant to put a lot of effort into.
    Yep, it's going to be dependent on rng. A lot of the time I do see 2 good procs during a flawless synthesis phase, so two precise touches there would put me well on my way to 11 stacks of IQ, provided that the ingenuity and rapid synth phase is successful. Often, I also only get 1 good proc or no good procs, so it seems to be a bit of a gamble.
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Ah, I missed that. I have not collected enough data to know for sure, but Goods seem extremely rare on L60 2-star recipes, so baiting Goods or counting on them is something I am reluctant to put a lot of effort into.
    Yeah that is why I designed my MaMa Careful rotation to rely on ~320-400 progress from the Flawless Synths, while trying to only bait one Good (but not relying on it). I see that as the middle ground for optimal use of MaMa and have had great use like this. I get around one ToT in 70-80% of my synths during the MaMa cycle (sometimes I get more but my rotation can't use them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlyna View Post
    Yeah that is why I designed my MaMa Careful rotation to rely on ~320-400 progress from the Flawless Synths, while trying to only bait one Good (but not relying on it). I see that as the middle ground for optimal use of MaMa and have had great use like this. I get around one ToT in 70-80% of my synths during the MaMa cycle (sometimes I get more but my rotation can't use them).
    I've gotten an excellent and a good, and 3 goods various times.. so depending on where I am I adjust what i am going to precise touch
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  6. #96
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    Right but without an SHII that is at best a 70% precise touch... (during FS cycle) with is fairly risky IMO. Now one would argue this makes having SHII up during FS is "smart" but that comes at a CP cost somewhere else in your rotation. And personally I find it difficult to justify. That's not to say one can't... but the rotation I've proposed wasn't designed with doing anything other than taking one ToT during the FS. More could be done during the FS cycle but IMO doing so raises risk in other more critical parts of the rotation with IMO isn't worth the tradeoff.
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  7. #97
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    Z'nnah Silverbane
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    I can imagine using MaMa + Cz+ IQ and then 13x FS _purely_ to bait for ToTs, and then adapting your post-MaMa process to the number of successful FS and the number of ToTs. If you pre-plan perhaps 4-6 post-MaMa options (e.g., no ToT and 10-13 FS, no ToT and 8-10 FS, one ToT and 10-12 FS, one ToT and 8-10 FS, and two Tots and 9-11 FS, and so on - two ToTs is a reasonable expectation for a max) I imagine it could lead to some pretty effective processes.

    Worst case (no Tots and all FS fail) you spend 6CP on the gamble. Best case (two ToT conversions) you get your IQ and a nice chunk of progress for free, and maybe a head-start on your second CZ if you start it within MaMa.

    OK, rereading this, I think I'm just saying what other people already said. Except maybe the part about preparing variants according to the results of the MaMa phase. LOL.
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    Last edited by Silverbane; 09-14-2015 at 04:48 PM.

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    BTW, I performed an experiment to determine the odds of getting a Good or Excellent on a Level 58 35 durability craft*.
    I then did an experiment on a 2-Star Level 60 70 durability craft.

    I ran my two-part Adamantite Nugget macro 37 times, creating 665 opportunities for a Good/Exc proc.
    I counted 94 Good or Excellent conditions.
    So the odds of getting a Good/EXC on L58 d35 crafts seems to be about 1 in 7 (14.11%).

    New info:
    I did a run of 8 Adamantite Ingots (2* L60). This created 336 opportunities for a Good/Exc proc.
    I counted 29 Good or Excellent conditions.
    So the odds of getting a Good/EXC on L60 d70 crafts seems to be about 1 in 11.5 (8.5%).

    (*my level 60, Cr 773, Control 692 )
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    Last edited by Silverbane; 09-20-2015 at 01:08 PM. Reason: Update, more info

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    Kat I wanna post my rotation using the simulator but somehow it's not allowing me to swap from default alch to any other class. Do you do it using a pc or a mobile phone?
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    Kiara Silvermoon
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    Hi Kat and All,

    Thanks so much for the hard work and posting this rotation. I'm going to be trying soon (first attempt!), but to clarify:

    In your Low CP rotation, I don't see any icons for Precise Touch or Tricks of the Trade.

    Apologies if it was obvious, but can you clarify if I should bother taking any of Precise Touches or Tricks of the Trade during Good procs? And when?

    Thanks!
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