Sustain on SMN

[MistyMew]

i sent an ingame suggestion about this the other day

i dont think its a healers job to worry about my pet nope, not at all...they have the players to worry about.

however in wow as hunter i can massively heal my pet on my own and spam it if need be...as it should be imo.

sustain is a horribly weak spell and it shoud be buffed immensely.

also titan specifically is a terrible "tank", he needs to be more like the tanking pets in wow..you know actually take many hits before needing to be healed and hold hate O.o hes weak in dps (which is ok) but extremely weak in tanking abilities, keeping hate, and takes hits like a mage

(sorry for mentioning "that" game but they got it right when it comes to a pet job, spot on and ffxiv needs to learn from them in this area.)

agree op 100%

[Saggo]

i dont think its a healers job to worry about my pet nope, not at all...they have the players to worry about.

Pets directly adds to DPS, HPS, and buffs, in that regard worrying about players means worrying about pets. They're just not highest priority.

sustain is a horribly weak spell and it shoud be buffed immensely.

I wouldn't call if weak, it heals basically a quarter of their health for a single cast. That's pretty good.

It's true that it's not good enough as our only tool. It either needs better potency or Physick needs to be just plain better.

[Alisi]

Pets directly adds to DPS, HPS, and buffs, in that regard worrying about players means worrying about pets. They're just not highest priority.

They are not a priority at all for the healers. This is your responsibility. Suck it up or switch jobs. If your egi keeps getting killed then go with Garuda or level thm up enough to have the insta cast spell to bring it back. If your egi is about to die then that means the raid wide damage is high. No healer has the time to play your class for you at a time like that.

[Alisi]

I wouldn't call if weak, it heals basically a quarter of their health for a single cast. That's pretty good.

Actually, as someone who played a hunter in WoW, sustain is weaker than dishwater. You don't understand the comparison being made here. It's night and day. I picked SMN for my first class because I like pet classes but FFXIV's SMNers have it really, really bad. Not only do hunters (and warlocks) in WoW have stronger healing spells, they can augment it to make them stronger if there's a need for that. There are several talents that translate damage into healing on top of that and they're smart DPSers. They take only about 10% of damage while in raids and they actively avoid spells and telegraphs. The tank pets will even turn the mob away from you like any normal tank would AND their taunts are super effective. So much so that they can compete with player tanks. There are also spells to dump all hate to either the pet or the tank instantly. To top it all off, spirit beasts will even heal you or themselves without you needing to do anything.

[Saggo]

Suck it up or switch jobs.

I can say the same to healers (which I play). Their job is not just keeping a player alive. They keep them functional too.

You don't understand the comparison being made here.

Thanks, but I do.

Not only do hunters (and warlocks) in WoW have stronger healing spells, they can augment it to make them stronger if there's a need for that. There are several talents that translate damage into healing on top of that and they're smart DPSers. They take only about 10% of damage while in raids and they actively avoid spells and telegraphs. The tank pets will even turn the mob away from you like any normal tank would AND their taunts are super effective. So much so that they can compete with player tanks. There are also spells to dump all hate to either the pet or the tank instantly. To top it all off, spirit beasts will even heal you or themselves without you needing to do anything.

And none of that makes Sustain weak. 24% HP from one spell is not weak.

The problem is just one spell is not enough.

And I played warlock and hunter, too, since street cred matters.

[Alisi]

I can say the same to healers (which I play). Their job is not just keeping a player alive. They keep them functional too.

No, it isn't. It's to get the team to the finish line. That's all. If everyone is alive, then AWESOME. If that means I have to let you die because you're costing me MP that I can't waste, then so be it.

The problem is just one spell is not enough.

Yeah... This is what I just said. That's why I included a whole list. I never said Sustain was weak. I said WoW had many, many other things that help with their pet classes.

[Shurrikhan]

Some vampirics (esp. to Ifrit) and the ability to extend Sustain (e.g. starts as an instant but can be charged for up to 2.5 seconds for extra duration) should be more than enough to keep pets alive when functioning only as dps without making Summoner able to tank content it wasn't designed for. At worst, add a bit more magic defense to Garuda and a bit more physical defense to Ifrit and make all pets regenerate health at an increased rate. Still can't tank, but they won't need healer intervention.

[Saggo]

No, it isn't. It's to get the team to the finish line. That's all. If everyone is alive, then AWESOME. If that means I have to let you die because you're costing me MP that I can't waste, then so be it.

Great. By that logic I can stop using Leeches and Esuna on Pacification, Paralyze, Bind, etc. This will save me a lot of work.

Yeah... This is what I just said. That's why I included a whole list. I never said Sustain was weak. I said WoW had many, many other things that help with their pet classes.

Glad we can agree. Still has nothing to do with with 24% HP in one spell being weak.

[Alisi]

Great. By that logic I can stop using Leeches and Esuna on Pacification, Paralyze, Bind, etc. This will save me a lot of work.

LMAO. Right. /pat

[Fevelle]

Although I put Regen on my co-healer Fairies and on some pets when I have enough time, I really think pets weren't designed to need any heals besides the ones from its owner. You should ask for a buff to Sustain, defense or HP regeneration on pets, not "blame it on the healers". If we were truly supposed to heal pets, they would be on our party list too, not only yours.