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Thread: Sustain on SMN

  1. #61
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    Pets are direct responsability of their masters. A good smn will 1) choose the best egi for each fight; 2) place his pet correctly and 3) sustain it when needed. Keeping your pet alive is the same as dodging visible AoEs on the ground, Egi's an extension of its master and the master has to manage it, period. As a SCH, I have better things to do than healing an Egi...like outdpsing 90% of the dps jobs I find in DF, for example.
    Having said that, I can agree on a slight buff to sustain, even though I've neved felt the need for it, even in A2S when my fairy occasionaly gets hit by the Doll's ranged aoe.
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    Last edited by Lastelli; 10-06-2015 at 06:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    Summoners have better things to do than get deadlocked into spamming sustain, physic, summons on their pets constantly.

    On top of that you can see their HP bar by default simply by looking at them, unless you turned that off for some awful reason. >:|
    Not healers job to look after SMN pet, again the reason why i would like a better sustain, its their job to look after THEIR pet, I turned their hp bar off because I don't need more junk onscreen.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    Healers' job is to heal the entire party. Pets are a significant power to pet jobs, without them, they aren't good...
    ...But of course loads of healers just snooze about and be obsessed with DPS in this game.
    Healers job is to keep the party alive not JUST heal, and again reason why pets need a better sustain.
    How can you snooze about and be obsessed with dpsing? That's conflicting lol
    I'd rather not stand in one spot waiting for a tank to lose 5%hp, no thank you!
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    Liaysa Sineos
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    Summoner could definetly benefit from a tweak to sustain. Wether it be off of the GCD or changing the potency of the heal itself.

    NOW, this doesn't mean that the healers should slack on trying to keep up pets. No matter how you slice it, it is a DPS LOSS to lose a pet, wether it be egi or turret, as well, it is a DPS LOSS to use sustain unless during downtime. It has a fast cast, but it costs you a GCD. It adds up if your using it during any form of uptime in a 10-13 minute encounter. So if you think you're being cool by not healing pets, you're being foolish. It's a shared responsibility between healers and pet owner, which is why I think sustain should be changed.
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    Last edited by Nyghtmarerobu; 01-11-2016 at 04:11 AM.

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    I'd prefer it if Arcanist didn't have Sustain at all. Arcanist should have a cooldown to improve Physick in its place. Specifically, it should increase the potency of the next 3 to 5 Physicks by 20% and allow both INT and MND to affect its healing potency, and last for about 30-45s, at the cost of having a 180 second cooldown. This way SCH has another raw healing tool for topping off single people, while SMN has it for emergencies or pet management. In turn, the natural sustain of the pets would be increased somehow, likely by giving them vamp on their most spammable pet action as part of Enhanced Pet Actions, or a new trait.

    For the sake of BLM and WHM I also think Supervirus should be rolled into Virus. That way this cooldown could be improved with the missing trait somehow, like reducing its cooldown by 12-20s (in total 1 minute reduction, depending on how many stacks the cooldown gives you) if you heal yourself or your pet, since SMN is lacking personal defensive cooldowns compared to other classes.

    I also think this ability should be cross-classable, for BLM's sake mostly. WHM won't use it (cure is better for them), and the limit on stacks plus long CD keeps BLMs from doing anything too ridiculous with it, while setting a general rule that casters have emergency healing as part of their utility. It would be nice to make this standard since everyone would want this on Red Mage and it fits SMN already. BLM's the only stretch, but I think it's fair to give them this.
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    While healing, if for some reason I can I will toss a regen on a pet. That normally helps. This isn't a common thing. I will stoneskin the pets before fights also but then again this is a personal preference.

    I will say I think Sustain needs a boost, more regen and at a higher potency with maybe a defensive boost added to it. Reduced dmg taken by 5%
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    Tsilyi L'sombra
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    Just make it so that pets don't get those long, long dot debuffs in the first boss of void ark, because nobody will ever heal a pet and then you have to sustain it for a million years. Literally the only fight I've ever had trouble keeping a pet alive on, and it's rare.
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    A buff to Sustain I can understand, but this implication that Healers are to blame if the SMN loses their pet is hilarious. Part of the job requirement includes pet management, and you're given tools to achieve this.
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