Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Azurymber]

Actually the quote is,



spoken by President Lincoln which was adapted from a John Lydgate poem. This wasn't meant to "inspire" people to make others miserable. And that can be your only motivation for fighting the instant airship ride, let's be honest.

For immersion, you will have the long ride, which gets added one patch after the airships. You can take the long walks any time you want. All the immersion you want for yourself in regards to travel you can have. No one is denying you your immersion.

Not everyone is interested in immersion, however, quite the way you envision. There are people who RP their characters with their friends. Having an "instant warp" can actually get them to where they need to be to play out a scene where their friends are gathering faster so they can be a part of the immersion they want to partake in. See what I mean?

It's a tool to be together with your friends who are waiting for you in a distant place. Or to make preparations quickly for the next round of questing, or whatever. The most important aspect that you're completely overlooking is the social aspect, which is really the driving force that keeps people playing. If the game makes it too hard to meet up with your friends and forces you into isolated corners of the world, it's not a fun game at all.

the idea of immersion is you have a living world where people are running around. and not just a series of small living zones. FFXIV has a giant -dead- world. why waste so much money and time on developing the huge world if you just focus people to small areas around the leve crystals?

[Azurymber]

This dated back pre release I believe in one of the many interviews with one of the various fan sites. They stated clearly that one of the reasons they are running two MMORPGs (besides the money aspect) is FFXI its hardcore MMO was going to stay around and that FFXIV its new MMO was going to be more casual friendly and cater to gameplay of the masses. Which if you read between the lines they are saying if you want something hardcore play FFXI and if you want something that is different and casual friendly pick up FFXIV. Also obviously they did say there would be content for everyone but the emphasized aiming to make the game so you can enjoy it whether you had 30 minutes to play or 2+ hours.

link please. Because if you played FFXIV when it first came out you would know that by rank 20 there were no real casual options and you had to group up to get sp on DoM or DoW

and if the game was released by that, its a pretty good idea of what they game was intended to be like.

By casual i think they meant you didnt need to set up a strict party and wait around for jobs, you could just join an alliance (large group) and roll through stuff. Which in a way did make partying a lot more accessible than in ffxi and more "casual" friendly.

[Davorok]

Easy Transportation does not affect my immersion.

Wanna know what does affect my immersion? (gonna tell you anyway): mindless, non-game related LS Chat & Shouts. Stoopid character names with pop-culture references and/or psuedo-sexual references.

I am not a hardcore Role-Player (you won't see me in the park having mock sword fights) and I don't attempt to speak/chat in a psuedo-cockney accent in game nor do I ever even for a split second think that anything in this game is real however, I do the enjoy the illusion of this alternate reality and do often wish that Real Life could remain absent (and silent) from my fantasy world for a little while.

p.s Don't tell me to go play an offline rpg...I like the dynamic, ever-changing world that a MMORPG provides...even if I do have to interact with stoopid peeplz now and again.

[Konachibi]

Easy Transportation does not affect my immersion.

Wanna know what does affect my immersion? (gonna tell you anyway): mindless, non-game related LS Chat & Shouts. Stoopid character names with pop-culture references and/or psuedo-sexual references.

I am not a hardcore Role-Player (you won't see me in the park having mock sword fights) and I don't attempt to speak/chat in a psuedo-cockney accent in game nor do I ever even for a split second think that anything in this game is real however, I do the enjoy the illusion of this alternate reality and do often wish that Real Life could remain absent (and silent) from my fantasy world for a little while.

p.s Don't tell me to go play an offline rpg...I like the dynamic, ever-changing world that a MMORPG provides...even if I do have to interact with stoopid peeplz now and again.

You sir, get a like +1

*salutes*

You know what you like, you know what you don't like, and you know what you want from an online game. That's more than many online game players can admit to.

Me included :3

*hides anime name*

[Konachibi]

Going back a few posts. Being able to travel to Mor Dhona at level 1 is not a cheat, being able to KILL something in Mor Dhona at level 1 is a cheat, I don't see level 1's killing things in Mor Dhona, I see no one cheating.

In the original Final Fantasy game waaaaaaaaaay back many many many years ago on the original Nintendo console, it was possible to go to the final boss castle very early in the game. Possible yes, but beating the boss that early in the game without the gear and levels you'd gain from doing the game properly, not possible.

Ease of transport and the ability to move to higher-than-your-designated-level zones is not cheating, it's just fast travelling, and ultimately pointless since you can't actually do anything there anyways (apart from fishing... for some reason the lake in the middle of Mor Dhona is only Grade 1...)

[Commat]

Going back a few posts. Being able to travel to Mor Dhona at level 1 is not a cheat, being able to KILL something in Mor Dhona at level 1 is a cheat, I don't see level 1's killing things in Mor Dhona, I see no one cheating.

Yes, its not cheating like the post your referencing says but its still a bummer.

Entering a new zone should be
1. exciting
2. scary
3. adventurous

In XIV currently its not.

[weeble]

Easy Transportation does not affect my immersion.

Wanna know what does affect my immersion? (gonna tell you anyway): mindless, non-game related LS Chat & Shouts. Stoopid character names with pop-culture references and/or psuedo-sexual references.

I am not a hardcore Role-Player (you won't see me in the park having mock sword fights) and I don't attempt to speak/chat in a psuedo-cockney accent in game nor do I ever even for a split second think that anything in this game is real however, I do the enjoy the illusion of this alternate reality and do often wish that Real Life could remain absent (and silent) from my fantasy world for a little while.

p.s Don't tell me to go play an offline rpg...I like the dynamic, ever-changing world that a MMORPG provides...even if I do have to interact with stoopid peeplz now and again.

sorry, and not trying to be one of the stupid people either, just throwing my opinions out on the forums but. dynamic ... ever changing worlds of mmorpg? please do tell what that means and the diff from offline games. u didn't mention anything about solo play or anything ..but most these people are all for solo play. the only thing in a mmo that makes it ever changing is people ...stupid people, smart people, different people. it is the only thing that changes for the most part.

if u want to solo threw a mmo, ...well go play a offline game. they are dynamic, and interchange with every disc u put in lol. and lot of them are online play these days even rpg's have lot of online stuff being added.

also, a big vast world ..even ffxi ..even when u ran everywhere 90% of it was non agro, after the first time u'r head was probably staring at a tv while running place to place. theres places made for it to be challenging and then there's the runs in between them. porting crystal to crystal does not change this. and all crystals have a pretty long run in between. but there ain't crap to do either way. it's just not implemented right, u'r not running from a crystal to a spot for a mini boss in middle of 50 agro roselins like in ffxi. they need to add them. zones like where the hnm turle in ffxi? where everything agro's and u need to pay attention to when u'r sneak or invis wears off, we dont' have that either, and all other mmo's everything agro's for most part, and every mob is killed the same way and is just as boring as no agro anything. heck this games mobs ain't even dynamic at the moment in my opinion, they kinda are but till we can dispell or remove debuffs and stop debuffs and enfeebs an all that ...it's just a dunes crab vs crabs in boyda.

where was i going with this lol, oh yeah... nooo way in eorzia does instant boat rides or instant ports to specific locations hurt anything in game. ask yourself either way what is there to do at these locations? just leves. leves to me aren't even content ..it's a joke if they think they can just keep adding leves as content either way. they will need to add new things that take us past each crystal, from grinds that are 5-10min runs from there, to dungeons u need to make way to, or the quest spots they take us too ...they will all be the right 5-10mins away. ...running any farther specially for repeatable things like leves or locals ...is just dumb.

[Konachibi]

Yes, its not cheating like the post your referencing says but its still a bummer.

Entering a new zone should be
1. exciting
2. scary
3. adventurous

In XIV currently its not.

I was pretty scared when I first entered Mor Dhona and got chased for about 2 miles by a giant toad. I didn't want to have to return to Limsa and spend another 30 minutes running back again if it caught and killed me

What resulted in that first trip to Mor Dhona was me and 2 other people from my LS attempting to cross Mor Dhona from the south all the way to the north to move into Coerthas, just so we could admire the scenery and get some idea of where we'd end up in a few months time once we all hit r50.

At one point we all switched to gathering tools and swimsuits and started throwing rocks at a drake to see which one of us it could manage to catch, then one of the two survivors had to try and raise that person without getting aggro. Why did we do this? Simple, it was fun, and extremely funny. (Did I mention most of the enemies in Mor Dhona aggro on sight?). And by sight I mean quite literally, they only aggro if they look at you whilst you're in range, so you can actually run past them like, 5 feet away as long as they're looking the other way. It's pretty intense trying to run past a rank 90 Basilisk in an enclosed corridor of rocks, and knowing at any second it could turn around and chomp you, and that your corpse would end up too close to it to be raised by your friends.

But anyways, this game doesn't hand you immersion, fun and excitement on a plate, but it gives you the means and tools to find it yourself. If you want to go adventuring and exploring, you can. There's quite a few hidden nooks and crannies scattered around the various landscapes that you probably never knew were there, heck, I found a cave in Thanalan the other day with a pool and quarry point and weird glowing flowers that looked like chinese lanterns. 3 weeks running around in Thanalan before I found that. No doubt there's other wonders around that people don't know about, the same as there could still be crafting recipes or items of clothing that have yet to be discovered.

Don't expect the game to give you your adventure, go and find it for yourself, that's what makes it YOUR adventure.

So I guess in a way instant teleporting can affect the games immersion, because you may miss these hidden little bits and pieces, but it's up to you if you want to teleport, or run there and maybe find something interesting.

[weeble]

I was pretty scared when I first entered Mor Dhona and got chased for about 2 miles by a giant toad. I didn't want to have to return to Limsa and spend another 30 minutes running back again if it caught and killed me

my first time, someone ported us there by mistake instead of my first time at dragonhead lol, so i got both for free port. not exciting at all. >< ..running first time is way better. but if they announced right now they will add this how many of u will race to get free ports to all crystals lmao. but anyway then the rest of game will least be fun.

but there was a quest that takes u into mor dona, don't matter if u port, it was fun getting to the quest spot, it was long run, avoiding agro mobs. more and more zones will probably have less and less crystals and longer runs or newer ways to get there too. and like i said in above post, if it's other then leves it will probably push u threw agro mobs an runs that can be called worthy of entertainment.

[Konachibi]

my first time, someone ported us there by mistake instead of my first time at dragonhead lol, so i got both for free port. not exciting at all. >< ..running first time is way better. but if they announced right now they will add this how many of u will race to get free ports to all crystals lmao. but anyway then the rest of game will least be fun.

but there was a quest that takes u into mor dona, don't matter if u port, it was fun getting to the quest spot, it was long run, avoiding agro mobs. more and more zones will probably have less and less crystals and longer runs or newer ways to get there too. and like i said in above post, if it's other then leves it will probably push u threw agro mobs an runs that can be called worthy of entertainment.

Don't forget riding there on chocobos too! Once chocobos are added I'm going to pretend the teleport option doesn't even exist, just so I can ride around all day on a giant yellow ostrich ^.^ (Fingers crossed it plays some new awesome variation of the chocobo theme when riding a chocobo, that would keep me entertained for hours!!!!!!! x3)