Shadow wall needs an additional effect.

[ArdorGrey]

Correct Wings, I am assuming full on defence hence the comment on storms path.

I am working on the pretence that there is still a valid statement to make regardless of meta if one class has higher long term reductions AND buster mitigation in full out defence AND greater offence in full out offence that serious changes need to be made.

There's two problems with this:

1: You're trying to work the math to suit your argument, of course it's going to work out. Someone else could write up a counter if they wanted to invest an equal amount of time.

2: being able to maximize offense and defense is great but war always does so at opportunity cost. There is something to be said for classes that not only don't have to make on the fly adjustments mid battle, but can also push most of their defense while maintaining most of their offense simultaneously. Not that pld is really in this situation atm, but drk is. Not to mention having defenses on hand as instant OGCD's that don't require a target.

[MeeYow]

There's two problems with this:

1: You're trying to work the math to suit your argument, of course it's going to work out. Someone else could write up a counter if they wanted to invest an equal amount of time.

2: being able to maximize offense and defense is great but war always does so at opportunity cost. There is something to be said for classes that not only don't have to make on the fly adjustments mid battle, but can also push most of their defense while maintaining most of their offense simultaneously. Not that pld is really in this situation atm, but drk is. Not to mention having defenses on hand as instant OGCD's that don't require a target.

No don't worry. I'm not.
I described my reasoning for typing it up, the calcs I did before I made up my mind, you cannot comment on the calcs when you haven't seen them.
I am doing everything; single target physical, magical, mixed, groups of mobs of both types and mixed and with and without various optional debuffs and stances. The numbers are not tailored at all. (I am a research physicsist so I couldn't if I wanted to, that was drilled out of my years ago, mainly because someone always attempts a counter argument like that so you stop them before they happen, part of good experiment design. :3)

I covered opportunity cost with storms eye, when there is no direct comparison, if you can compare class A to an inferior rotation of class B and find class B better off, then you can comment on the non directly comparable scenario, of course if the results are the other way around the findings are almost completely inconclusive.

As for the second point, yes I am providing numbers and not situations for use, but situational abilities can be overestimated and set to zero eg Holmgang, the comfort margin is still there as far as WAR is concerned.

I don't want to derail this thread but I am happy to PM talk if you want to go talk.