What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Cidel]

I might be a little too optmistic, but I think 4.0 will be WAAAAAAAY better developed and implemented than 3.0 was.

Oh, and one question: since they released Ninjas outside of an expansion (patch 2.4) what's the chance of SQEX releasing new jobs at, let's say, 3.5?

Taken from the Live Letter XXIII:

Q11. Any plans to add a new job/class during the 3.x series?

A11. We’re currently working on adjusting the existing jobs, and don’t have any time to consider new jobs. New jobs will probably be introduced in 4.0.

[Souljacker]

"No one needs a housing system to be social" this is strictly your opinion, so please stop using word such as "No one". Garrisons is a mobile game, there is very little content beside sitting there click a few button then wait for missions to finish. Anti-social wasnt the whole reason, but it sure is one why Garrison failed.

This comment makes no sense to me. So you can't be social in an mmo without the wards? Now you are just reaching forstraws.

"Why do you feel your artificially created social experience (that you could have anywhere else outside the wards) is worth me (and others) not getting to have a house at all?" And why do you feel taking away my(and many other's) social experience is worth you getting a house? Its a MMO, its meant to be social. Want a real house sim? play sims 4.

Because I am paying for the same content you are and I don't have access to said content. That's why. This isn't about playing a house sim. Of course I don't want to play a house sim. I want to play FFXIV and have access to all the content my subscription is supposed to entail. Housing is a part of that. It was never pitched as content that only a select few that were on the servers first will be able to access, but gosh SE does love to make content more than half its players can never see.

Lastly if its as you said, that instance is more cost efficient, than why havent they done so yet(and from the start)? I will say im no programming expert, but im in progress of obtaining a degree in said field, so i would like to see more concrete evidences of resources usage. Which i dont believe we would ever see.

Because they have already told us it's "too difficult" - that's why I keep pointing at other games and what they have done. If it's too difficult for their current staff it's time to get some people in there that CAN do the job. Also because they just didn't have the foresight to realize that housing would be as popular as it is. You might not have been here when they first started releasing info but everything they told us pointed to it being drastically different than what it is. Last minute they just flipped a switch and turned on FC housing for individual players. That's because something in the underlying framework was very broken and they couldn't make what they were working on mesh, yet they felt they needed to release something, anything, and so this is what they did. It was probably the worst thing they could have done. Now there's a load of players who will never get houses and the minority of homeowners like you arguing that it's perfectly fine the way it is.

Bottom line is they need to make big changes to the whole framework because long run it's going to be harder for them to maintain. Throwing more and more servers at a problem isn't going to fix the underlying problem which is this system will never be available to all the paying players, ever. We have a fraction of the house space needed for the current players. Even adding the same amount of new wards won't cover it, and if this game is expected to continue growth they need to take a good hard look at how they are accommodating that growth. They aren't going to be able to afford throwing server after server up JUST to accommodate wards. Not an efficient use of hardware resources.

[SpookyGhost]

Answer to OP: Nothing. It is the same cookie cutter stuff. No variety of content

I see this discussion in lot of FB groups, gamefaqs, other forums, etc. It's not just a vocal minority methinks...

People quit in 2.0 for the exact same reasons people are complaining about now. Log in, cap tomes, raid, log out. The biggest problem is that they split the entire expansion up into parts, so we're not getting the whole expansion in one go - we're getting part 1 of 5 (assuming it'll work the same way as 2.0). This is really, really bad for any players that are actually playing now because we have such a limited amount of things to do. They expect us to use this patch to grind and that's it - grind endlessly and eventually you'll come upon 3.1, which will probably be another grind. Eventually, you accumulate enough content to actually log in daily and have fun, but what's the point in subbing at all for 3.0 once you've completed the main story? To grind for gear that will quickly be outdated in the next 2 patches? Is running the same 2 dungeons every single day fun, genuinely?

The only reason I remain subbed is because I raid with friends and we have a good time. Not because the raid is fun, but because it's something to do while we spend time together. If it weren't for that and my friends played other MMOs, I wouldn't be back here until 3.5 where I actually have a plethora of things to do. This is the case for most people who quit XIV and moved to WoW, Tera, etc. It's something no one who's still subbed to this game wants to accept, but it's the reality of things.

[Obysuca]

The biggest problem is that they split the entire expansion up into parts, so we're not getting the whole expansion in one go - we're getting part 1 of 5 (assuming it'll work the same way as 2.0). This is really, really bad for any players that are actually playing now because we have such a limited amount of things to do.

Can't find the post, but I was actually mentioning this back before HW release, how we'd only get a part of it, not the whole thing, and you should have seen the amount of people throwing fits and raging at me(someone even reported me for "being offensive" lol), because those people were like, "We're getting a ton of content when HW releases, not just parts". What did we get? Parts. Feels more like 1/2 of a part though, since only 2 dungeons and alex, the ex primals are kind of obsolete now and it hasn't even been another update.

[Mikhaill]

Something tells me you all just like to complain.

I dunno man, I think a lot of us are sick and tired of having a 2.0 clone and are expecting change.
We don't wanna see the same cycle done from the previous the base game.
I feel like people dropped like flies faster than they did in 2.0...

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy AST and the story here in 3.0, but it took so long for them to fix it my sister asks "Hey AST is getting huge buff, so you're coming back?"
Come back to see AST is fairing well, still needs a tiny bit of love to fix Noct stance, but no, I'm not coming back...Why? Because I'm bored to tears with these dungeons
and FATE grind for hours on end. It sucks, because I don't really like ANY of the dungeons except The Gubal Library. I wish it was 60, because I'll never get bored of it.
Alexander is so bad in terms of fun. Coil was much much better than this, I am very disappointed in this raid, and it doesn't even feel like a damn raid.
Alexander should of been a 24man, I want more bigger party raids, and I'd like 4man dungeons to actually be hard and stop the rehash of HM's too...
I'm tired of everything being the same flavour with a different coating of paint.

I will only defend SE to the point where...hey the expac is new but if they keep going at this rate, I myself will probably play this game a lot less than I did in 2.0, and if they
CONTINUE IN 4.0, and pray to The Twelve they don't, I'm quitting for a few years.

[Deathscythe343]

People quit in 2.0 for the exact same reasons people are complaining about now. Log in, cap tomes, raid, log out.

This is one of the reasons why EQ's AA (Alternate Advancement) system was so loved by their players. It gave them numerous other options to improve their toons beyond just getting the current top end gear. It is a feature I have often wondered why is not included in newer MMOs.

[SasukeUchiha81]

You know, im off work 3 and 1/2 days every week, where I play FFXIV!! The other 3 1/2 days I work 56 hrs, im in front of a PC all of that time, so I am on the forums a lot passing the time, so I know why I am here.. Buy my god, sometimes I lose faith in humanity reading these posts, I love you all, love one another, have patience! <3 XD

[Obysuca]

have patience! <3 XD

>_> We have had patience. SE's had 2 years to introduce something new and they haven't. Especially since HW feels like an update, rather than an expansion. Remember, Yoshi said in 2.0 he was building the foundation, then he'd give us actual content. It's been 2 years, where's the actual content? All I'm seeing is rehashed dungeons, only 1 way reasonable way to get tomes, still can't queue with chocobo out, can't hide quests, can't buy in singles on MB, player housing was supposed to be different than FC housing, exactly the same etc, the list goes on.

[SasukeUchiha81]

>_> We have had patience. SE's had 2 years to introduce something new and they haven't. Especially since HW feels like an update, rather than an expansion. Remember, Yoshi said in 2.0 he was building the foundation, then he'd give us actual content. It's been 2 years, where's the actual content? All I'm seeing is rehashed dungeons, only 1 way reasonable way to get tomes, still can't queue with chocobo out, can't hide quests, can't buy in singles on MB, player housing was supposed to be different than FC housing, exactly the same etc, the list goes on.

Notice I have several characters, this is even my 2nd account. I started playing September 22nd 2010 1.0. ( Release of the Collectors ED and early access) It takes a lot of time to make a game, 2, 3, 4 years? in 2013 they started literally making a whole new game, while people were, and are, still playing the game. What they have accomplished in the last 2 years is quiet amazing really..

[Evtrai]

Notice I have several characters, this is even my 2nd account. I started playing September 22nd 2010 1.0. ( Release of the Collectors ED and early access) It takes a lot of time to make a game, 2, 3, 4 years? in 2013 they started literally making a whole new game, while people were, and are, still playing the game. What they have accomplished in the last 2 years is quiet amazing really..

This excuse, has been used and reused on so many MMO's ive played and sunk ship by some of the super defensive player base that refuse to see it's faults the usual excuse of this board being "It's not even the first expansion", now I'm trying to generalize what's the new excuse, if that's so, maybe they should of rethought the strategy of releasing so much disposable content at this incredibly super fast rate, refocus their resources on different ways of doing what they established, other ways of capping esoterics besides running the same dungeon and what's looking that 3.1 will be the exact same thing with 2 new dungeons.

It's also nice that you enjoy leveling other character and even have a second accounts, but I find bizarre, that I read other comunities yesterday and see people bring this argument:

You have no right to talk that there's no content, are all your classes 60 and your crafts 60?

I would probably enjoy leveling crafts, maybe, if it wasn't so broken, they ruined one of the things I enjoyed in 2.0 doing to pass my time, but it still is not a valid excuse of content, there's always people in MMO's that don't enjoy crafting, and people that do not enjoy re rolling alts and thus is just subjective content, this isn't Diablo III where you benefit of rerolling characters each new season because there's new drops and leaderboards exclusive of new season characters.

I feel like I can give a sigh of relief however, that the NA community is not alone in being tired of the formula, yesterday I browsed the Japanese boards, and they are also unhappy and complaining about the same topics being discussed here recently, being tired of the content and how they are considering to stop playing. Hopefully, with the complains in both ends, they will revise the stratergy and planning for future patches.