What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Evtrai]

Well, because my way doesn't come at the expense of everyone else. You are arguing that the current housing system is perfect and fine the way it is despite many people not being able to even own houses. That's pretty much the definition of a selfish attitude - "I got mine, everything's fine, screw everyone else".

If the servers can't handle enough wards for everyone to have a house, it's time to take another look at the system. It's just not fair that you have access to content that I and others don't, all because you managed to scoop up a house right after a reset or are on a dead server. How you can even call me selfish when I'm asking for everyone to have equal access to something is just baffling.

This selfish mentality does indeed shock me, like there's people also voicing concerns but apparently they are invalid because people aren't allowed to have the same idea or thought, and very very few people on this thread if you do a quick scan are blatantly defending these issues more than a PR department or the company itself would and one of them hasn't even played past the 30 day trial, even if it's a bullet wound covered up with a band aid, they would most likely say it's fine, there's nothing wrong.

[Alipoprocks]

Vertical progression is awful. SE forced themselves to have to produce new content quickly because of their choice to increase iLvl every few months - basically killing everything that was created before. They added incentive to go back and do irrelevant content by adding it to relic quests and roulettes. Many people worked on relics so that seemed to have worked. But I don't think it was very fun.

One of the best aspects of this game is the fact we can play multiple jobs on one character. But with all the gating, we are forced to always only pick one job to work on at a time. People always argue that if there wasn't gating, people would get all their gear too quickly, get bored and unsub until next patch. HA! People do that now with all the gating! The game just doesn't have enough relevant content to keep people busy when all the gating exists.

I know that this is my opinion and I may be in the minority. But I would like to hope that my opinion matters to SE since I have been a continuous subscription payer to SE since 2006, and have been continuosly supporting FFXIV since the beginning.

Like people in posts above me, I have seen FC's just die. When 2.0 came out, our small FC had two statics. But since December of 2014, only two out of 16 people continued to play. The other FC's that we were friends with had the same thing happen.

I will continue to play because even as boring as this game is, it is still better than playing solitaire. I guess I am looking forward to 2 "new" dungeons, 24 -man content and a primal or two. :/

And omg why is there still a character limit! lol

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you don't like the game, stop playing, seriously.

I don't get the point of forcing yourself to play a game that bores you to death.

I still enjoy the game, it caters to what I'm looking for, and does this for most of the people who still play. Sure this thread may be full of people talking, but its really only about what, like 20 people? out of several hundred thousand at least?

[Evtrai]

Vertical progression is awful. SE forced themselves to have to produce new content quickly because of their choice to increase iLvl every few months - basically killing everything that was created before. They added incentive to go back and do irrelevant content by adding it to relic quests and roulettes. Many people worked on relics so that seemed to have worked. But I don't think it was very fun.

One of the best aspects of this game is the fact we can play multiple jobs on one character. But with all the gating, we are forced to always only pick one job to work on at a time. People always argue that if there wasn't gating, people would get all their gear too quickly, get bored and unsub until next patch. HA! People do that now with all the gating! The game just doesn't have enough relevant content to keep people busy when all the gating exists.

I know that this is my opinion and I may be in the minority. But I would like to hope that my opinion matters to SE since I have been a continuous subscription payer to SE since 2006, and have been continuosly supporting FFXIV since the beginning.

Like people in posts above me, I have seen FC's just die. When 2.0 came out, our small FC had two statics. But since December of 2014, only two out of 16 people continued to play. The other FC's that we were friends with had the same thing happen.

I will continue to play because even as boring as this game is, it is still better than playing solitaire. I guess I am looking forward to 2 "new" dungeons, 24 -man content and a primal or two. :/

And omg why is there still a character limit! lol

Apparently, what you are saying is not true, because one each of these members you lost, din't come to voice or announce with trumpets that each of them was leaving so it's impossible, what happened with your FC, is actually the most dangerous kind of player, because they leave, and SE, will never know why they left, they din't post their concerns, they just don't care anymore and left, forever.

[Alipoprocks]

If you don't like the game, stop playing, seriously.

I don't get the point of forcing yourself to play a game that bores you to death.

I still enjoy the game, it caters to what I'm looking for, and does this for most of the people who still play. Sure this thread may be full of people talking, but its really only about what, like 20 people? out of several hundred thousand at least?

That's the thing, the numbers are shrinking. The whole and main reason I play MMO's is to play with other people and make friends. But friends keep quitting and won't come back no matter how much I beg them. I make new friends and the majority of them quit too.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

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Thats the thing though, according to official sources, the game is still growing. it might be time for you and your friends to find a different MMO to play together, or just different games in general since it doesn't look like there are any available MMO's that might suit your tastes.

Of the people I have played with and still talk to, about 95% still actively play. The ones I stopped talking to for various reason don't affect me, since we no longer do content together. People say they want lasting content, and sure that can work if done right. But who REALLY wants to still be running CT years from now for no real reason other than SE decided to just update the rewards instead of adding a new place to go? Or spend weeks/months trying to get drops from different zones so you can get gear. They tried that with the relic and people hated it. The Rage on the forums over Atmas, and then the dungeon drops was immense.

[Evtrai]

Thats the thing though, according to official sources, the game is still growing. it might be time for you and your friends to find a different MMO to play together, or just different games in general since it doesn't look like there are any available MMO's that might suit your tastes.

Of the people I have played with and still talk to, about 95% still actively play. The ones I stopped talking to for various reason don't affect me, since we no longer do content together. People say they want lasting content, and sure that can work if done right. But who REALLY wants to still be running CT years from now for no real reason other than SE decided to just update the rewards instead of adding a new place to go? Or spend weeks/months trying to get drops from different zones so you can get gear. They tried that with the relic and people hated it. The Rage on the forums over Atmas, and then the dungeon drops was immense.

You mean the "over 4 million registered accounts"? and have you considered also that curious people due media and success have come to play and they might also leave when they reach the same stage as the majority of players and see the issues?

And as someone mentioned before also:

Well, it could certainly work a lot better. It's not successful because they have a super great formula. It's successful because it's either this or Garrisons,(World of Warcraft) and pretty much everyone said a big old FU to Garrisons a months after release. Right now SE is using a formula created by another company, and they are riding the experience of a brand new expansion and the fatigue of another game's missteps. It doesn't hurt that it's probably the most beautiful MMO on the market, but make no mistake - Blizzard knows they are in trouble and need a big win. The competition isn't over. SE can't just hum along with this content model and expect to be successful forever, especially if core FF fans are already tired of fighting the same Primal\dungeons on different tiers ad naseum.

[Kaurie]

Thats the thing though, according to official sources, the game is still growing. it might be time for you and your friends to find a different MMO to play together, or just different games in general since it doesn't look like there are any available MMO's that might suit your tastes.

The way official sources state the number of players makes it impossible for it to not grow. That is unless it stays absolutely stagnant. In other words, every single person in the game could quit and 1 new person could register, and the official sources would list this as growth.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The way official sources state the number of players makes it impossible for it to not grow. That is unless it stays absolutely stagnant. In other words, every single person in the game could quit and 1 new person could register, and the official sources would list this as growth.

Not necessarily. But this thread seems to be turning into another doom and gloom thread, so I will be taking my leave. People have been saying this game is going inactive and people are quitting since week 2.

[Velhart]

It is very hard to break away from a formula like this, especially since it is a vertical progression based game. You can add in all kinds of new content you can, but people will always eventually get bored and ask for more. It is a no win scenario for the developers. It is not to say they shouldn't shake things up so things don't get stale, but it isn't that simple.