The Real Problem with Parsers

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Good.
God.
Video games for the elite are too important to let the disabled escape their lives for a minute even in a random pick-up group. Cool.
I want off this planet.

I'm gonna attack this one head on.

After the military, I have an issue with my right arm. Not sure what or why, but every so often, it just goes numb. From the shoulder down. Never for too long; few minutes or so. And while sometimes it can slow me down a bit, it is NOT my excuse to not try.

I'm not one to insult someone's disability, but where that disability is not a direct impairment to being able to play this game, I say it should not be a free pass to allow one to be mediocre or underperform. We have an "almost-blind" player on my server (by his own admission, to which I respect), who has just about done everything I have as well. I can even say seeing him in action in Bismarck Ex, if I didn't know of his disability, I wouldn't be able to tell at all. And I'd argue that his disability is certainly worse than my own.

[Whiteroom]

Good.
God.
Video games for the elite are too important to let the disabled escape their lives for a minute even in a random pick-up group. Cool.
I want off this planet.

You must think fairly lowly of disabled people if you think they are sitting around wanting people to do everything for them.

Tbh, regardless of my situation, I would be sure to meet the minimum requirements before playing with random people. If that means waiting until I have enough of a gear buffer for it, then so be it. Alternatives include FC/ Linkshell/ PF runs.

But then again, without a parser, how would they know if they can meet the minimum requirements...

[MayuraT]

Even if they add a in game parser, as long as its still a reportable offense for being an abusive dick, then everything is pretty much the same as it is now.

Abusive dicks will be abusive dicks whether or not they have a dps parse, and nice people will be nice whether or not they have a dps parse.

It is simply that ^ Parser or not...

As far as dungeon time goes, i remember when i first got to 60 (first week when it came out, i had pre-order so really it was 2nd week) everyone had almost fresh minimum gear and it took about 30-35 min to clear, and it's not because we were bad, it was simply gear limitations. So i'd say anything under 35 should be acceptable since it's DF (even though i constantly clear it under 20 now). To say 30-35 is too much then you really should just pre-make the party but of course that's my opinion.

However, again, as Sacerdos says, those that are intolerant will be so whether with or without parser.

[drmambo1999]

I kinda feel like this sort of stuff is already happening quite a bit already even without "official parsers." That being said, I haven't run into too many scenarios where my DPS was brought into question, personally.

I play on PS4 and am personally am intrigued by the notion of knowing the exact numbers behind the damage I do out of sheer curiosity, but I do agree that it can be frustrating when you are trying to find a party for a dungeon/trial and the only group in the PF is looking for perfect speed runs. (I like to think I play my job well enough but I know I am no where near that level yet. XD)

Ultimately I don't really think parsers will dramatically change the community all that much, but I have been just fine with out them as well, so whether they bring us "official" ones or not I don't really mind.

[T2teddy]

couple of nights ago I was in Syrcus Tower in support of a new player friend and there was a WHM in our group who insisted on shouting out how my friend and a couple of other players were pulling way lower dps than anyone else. SHOUTING...in caps and then wanted these three to leave. Syrcus Tower for god sake.

These three were in ST for the very first time and all had AF plus a few bought 115 pieces. Everyone else in the raid were synced down level 60s! Can't imagine why they would be far ahead in the dps hmm?...Guess who got vote kicked unanimously...the screaming parser, whose parting words were quite colorful. I'd guess a lot of the raid reported her.

[Neophyte]

Why should dps get a special treatment?
You can already see if your tank is bad or your healer is bad, I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to see how the dps perform.

If a offtank fails 3x in a row at spotting the second hand in A3 or failing at the tank swap in Bis Ex or losing hate, because he's not doing hate-combo or a healer is not healing... you gonna replace them sooner or later.
But if one or two of the four dps are bad you have to disband the whole group if you're failing?!

[Samsta]

I would really like to see parsers, just because I want to improve my own gameplay. However I also realize that there are people that will abuse these parsers. We have seen them in this thread also. I understand kicking a person if the dungeon really is not progressing and he is really doing something horribly wrong and is not willing to improve. However, I do not understand how someone can be so entitled dickhead that they will kick someone because the numbers they pull means the dungeon will last 10 mins longer. You have to understand that those dungeons are not meant for you alone, you are doing them as a team, and somehow you feel you have the right to waste the time of other people (kicking them) because they will "waste" your precious time by 10 minutes not playing according to your own standards that you alone have created. This is the behaviour of an asshole and you must be a real shitty human being in real life.

[AriaEnia]

I do not understand how someone can be so entitled dickhead that they will kick someone because the numbers they pull means the dungeon will last 10 mins longer. You have to understand that those dungeons are not meant for you alone, you are doing them as a team, and somehow you feel you have the right to waste the time of other people (kicking them) because they will "waste" your precious time by 10 minutes not playing according to your own standards that you alone have created.

Well, there was someone who posted in this thread has this kinda attitude here. In early pages, kinda people I would like to avoid.
Even though I've never been called because my DPS was somehow satisfied "them who use parsers", what they did to other people who didin't, was sickening. Truly despising, the self entitlement and how they feel so good when they bash and bully the ones who don't meet their standard. I'm fine with parsers, but just keep it to yourselves.

[Blitzace]

Honestly, i use parsers, But 99% of the time its to see how i'm doing myself. If i see someone not pulling enough dPS or not Heal enough. idc if we clear it, how ever if this person is the issue that we keep wiping and not being able to get it due him not even passing 300 DPS and being outDPSed by even the tanks/healers. I'm sorry, You gotta go. And i don't need a parser to see who's not doing his part. Just makes it easier.

And thats talking about Primals/Raids(alex savage) Not talking about dungeons. Cause honestly, I'll never kick someone for having low DMG in a dungeon or what ever. i out DPS alot of DPS on my healer/tank. Thats not a reason to kick em.
I can tell they are fresh to the game, is that a valid reason to kick? Hell no. And anyone who does that should be kicked them selfs. If you want a perfect dungeon run 700-1k+ dps from everyone? Go make a nice PF group.

[SlyRoyale]

Was just curious as to what others thought. I always said bout 20-30 minutes. When I go into an instance I'm expecting at least 30 minutes which I don't think is unreasonable seems about the average. In anything other than the high end content what good does a parser do anyways. I mean we've all run expert till our eyes bleed and we already know how fast mobs should die. You can tell without a parser that someone isn't doing as much as another.

Some people parse out of curiosity in any content, wanting to know what their numbers are. By consequence, they are also aware of the DPS of their fellow party members. This is where the concern comes in, which can be proven or put to rest by the responsibility of the parser. The more responsible parsers won't make any comments to those under-performing about what they're doing, taking a "say nothing if you have nothing nice to say" approach or simply respecting the ToS of not harassing players about it. Should the under-performers be causing actual problems for the whole group, they (the parsers) may feel inclined to inquire about it without overtly asking about why they aren't doing much damage unless it is for a DPS check. While there are times we can tell that someone is under-performing, parsers explicitly state what happened in a fight. Some do it for curiosity's and self-improvement's sake, which is fine.