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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasya View Post
    I'm talking about "mandatory" in the sense of top-tier progression. If someone's in a midcore static progressing in Savage Alex with friends the gloves aren't going to make or break his performance relative to his raiding cohort.
    Additionally if someone's bitching about having to do a grind that, at worst takes a couple days, he probably doesn't deserve a static slot. You can get 150K over a few weeks from Mini-cactpot alone, and if there's Battle Square/Combat GATEs and gear for other classes available he's clearly not doing this "grind" without his static members.

    Fighting an enemy gauntlet with randomised handicaps together with friends for multiplicative MGP rewards. How is that something to complain about? It sounds fun.
    I wasn't even talking about statics. I agree with you about static slots, but dollars to donuts you'd start seeing Primal EX parties "Healers have Godbert's Gloves or GTFO" and crap like that. A lot of people seem to have a "monkey see monkey do" attitude toward the frontrunning hardcore raiding groups. They mimic their equipment and group makeups and in a lot of cases don't even really understand why (and in some cases, don't understand why it doesn't work for them and they can't magically clear the content when they follow everything to the letter).

    I'd love me some Battle Square content to pound on with my static, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    I say this joke to a FC member all the time lol He complains how he's always coming drk for things and I told him that he can come drg if he wants. He complains how then we might get bad tanks and I told him that if he came drg, he'd still be tanking something :P
    I love teasing 'goons. This morning I ran Expert with a friend (on his DRG) and got a random DRG. I told them, "Alright, you two Dragoons decide now who's tanking the floor, because I don't want any fighting about it."

    The funny part is the 'goon in our static is our best DPS. I tease him too. :3

    I know this is going to draw the torches and pitchforks back, but in a way, that would be a little better than what we have now if you think about it. Look at all the people who are 15-20 ilvl lower than the required amount to get into content and just slap on tank accessories and what not. In the end, we would have better geared people, so content could be cleared easier (if you don't count the just plain bad people who refuse to learn and just bash buttons).
    Man, I don't even wear tank jewelry on my tank. I can't fathom why people want to wear it on anything else.

    I'm going to sound like a jerk for saying it, but if those people refused to farm that specific gear to gear themselves better, resulting in a better (not skillwise) job, which might end up causing the people who actually want to clear the content, to keep wiping because that person won't do a simple task, then they should be kicked. I can't tell you how many times I've been the nice guy and gave people way too many chances, then the pt ends up dying. Like Titan hm in 2.0 and anything thats not a faceroll fight, whenever the pt leader kicked the poor players and replaced them, we finally won.
    Eh. Forcing people to do Gold Saucer in order to raid leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's no different than if people were forced to raid in order to craft or forced to gather in order to cra... oh wait. :3

    It would teach people to pull their own weight and not expect to get carried through content, causing unneeded stress and wipes for people who want to clear it. Don't have X gear? Looks like you're not ready to tackle Y content.
    Dunno. My fear is unreasonable expectations from the community, like the aforementioned example of "Godbert's Gloves or GTFO" for EX primal parties and other content where it's simply not needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkizzleofRagnarok View Post
    When people finally agree and all are here too the white knights that always where approving of they think they are allowed everything that you have just because they pay for a subscription and that horizontal progression works.
    Just... what? I have no idea what you're actually trying to say here.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 09-07-2015 at 06:22 AM.

  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
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    Again, Gold Saucer is just one example.
    On the other page I mentioned Notorious Monsters (like hunts, but with mechanics that severely punish people who don't obey the rules, HP pools/damage that scales with the number of participants and very real chances of encounter failure- with the boss running off), frontier work that rewards points for assisting with dynamic events, large dungeons that have a limited duty timer with rewards for exploration and killing enemies. Things like this.

    Also,
    A. People already discriminate based on iLv.
    B. If anything having low iLv stuff remain relevant will help with this issue, and
    C. Everyone will have their own gear sets with unique procs. Ninjas might get boots that increase Huton duration, Monks a circlet that reduces the cooldown on Internal Release, Tanks a pair of gloves that improves Parry rate. You wont be able to type up a PF listing accounting for every single variable.
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  3. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Man, I don't even wear tank jewelry on my tank. I can't fathom why people want to wear it on anything else.
    I actually ended up with a healer in Vault once who, after 4 wipes of the final boss, I noticed had all tank accessories on, to which they swapped to healer and dropped to like 4k hp, when everyone else had like 7k-8k. 4k is like what, i90 or so for lvl 50.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Eh. Forcing people to do Gold Saucer in order to raid leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's no different than if people were forced to raid in order to craft or forced to gather in order to cra... oh wait. :3
    Well, it doesn't have to be Golden Saucer, just something else that's not 2 expert dungeons.
    And to be fair, older mmos had something like this, where you'd get materials and items from a raid so that crafters could craft it into different raid gear than what dropped.

    Take Sky in XI for example, there was the actual gear like Osode http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kirin%27s_Osode , then there were abjurations which you could use on cursed gear that crafters could make, to turn it into things like Zenith or crimson http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/W...juration:_Legs both of which dropped from the same mob.




    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    Why are you still here. Just leave.
    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    Then go play it. Right now.


    >_> Going to be that guy, but the only thing you're doing in this topic is putting down ideas and telling people to gtfo. Why don't you take your own advice? You're not giving any feedback or anything to help. As many of us have pointed out, the ideas we're suggesting are what kept older mmos going, even after 13+ years. The things XIV is doing are whats killed practically every mmo since 2005 within ~3 years.
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    Last edited by Obysuca; 09-07-2015 at 06:35 AM.

  4. #164
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    Well, I don't know about it being pretty dead, seems active to me, however I will list the reasons why I am personally bored.

    1. My raid group went pretty much no raid in the expansion, leaving me to attempt to find a new group which I really don't have the time right now to look for, nor the motivation. (People I like, people that can work with my availability, people that aren't going to freak out every time the group fails etc.. )

    2. Battle jobs are what I like to play the most, however the new gear is always handed out so slowly that I don't really see the point in leveling anything other than 2 jobs anymore - anything beyond that, will have a patch and outdate the gear instantly, which is fine. However; I will never be fully integrated into any end game environment on said job without at least having a half a set of "new" gear. So why fill my brain with rotations that I won't use in any situation besides your typical dungeon farm? I used to cap all my jobs, now it just feels like a chore and I can't realistically switch between jobs in any end game content beyond the 2... so I've just lost the motivation. I like the game but the way the vertical design works on top of being limited to only being able to gear one job "well" over a period of 2 months roughly... I just don't see the point in leveling something I'm not going to use. It just becomes a completion thing and another check box on the duties to fulfill, one that is always behind, which is a drag.

    This was much different back in 1.0 when you could switch between the jobs at any time and there wasn't lockouts on the gear, back then I could just swap to whatever we needed or what I felt like playing at the time without feeling completely worthless, since I could get gear on everything equally thus keep them all relevant. The catch up mini game is lame to say the least for anything after your first 2 jobs, one you will never actually catch up on, unless you actually switch focus to that job entirely thus giving up the relevance of one of the other 2 you were focusing on before. I really wish they would increase the tome drop rate, and weekly cap them per job instead of just a flat 450 a week.

    3. Crafting just isn't my thing, I do it, but honestly its a snooze fest for me. I don't feel any sense of reward doing it. (not to mention i spent way too much time doing this in 1.0 with 2 characters before there was really anything else to do in general so that probably doesn't help burnt me out early.)

    4 Gathering is fun to me, nice and relaxing however I can't do it all the time there is only so much I can take of it, like crafting.

    5 pvp, I feel like its a mixed bag, and honestly I want a bar layout that can switch between pvp and pve some not having to shuffle stuff around all the time. another chore to add to the list. (Don't even get me started on the armory space issue right now, and then adding pvp gear to that mix)

    6 gold saucer stuff is fun, but it only goes so far.

    7. Heavensward didn't really seem to change the game a whole hell of a lot at least in my opinion it just feels like more of the same, I don't know exactly what I was expecting, but I was expecting something more that felt like an official expansion beyond some maps. I know we got the new jobs and the skills, which is cool but other than that it just feels like a level patch.
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    Last edited by Imoen; 09-07-2015 at 07:13 AM.

  5. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    >_> Going to be that guy, but the only thing you're doing in this topic is putting down ideas and telling people to gtfo. Why don't you take your own advice? You're not giving any feedback or anything to help.
    You said XI sounds like a great game you wish you had played. I am simply informing you that you CAN play it. Right now, you can go and buy it, download it, and play it. Nothing is stopping you. And you seem to really want to play it. I am genuinely curious as to why you simply don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    Why are you still here. Just leave. This game will never be what you want it to be.
    His rank in his FC is "Trollmaster." He doesn't post here because he's actually making complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    You said XI sounds like a great game you wish you had played. I am simply informing you that you CAN play it. Right now, you can go and buy it, download it, and play it. Nothing is stopping you. And you seem to really want to play it. I am genuinely curious as to why you simply don't.
    Actually no, that was a different person, go back a few pages and you'll see. I, myself, have played XI for 11 years. And telling someone to go play it has no effect anymore, since the good XI isn't the same XI that's out now, since they swapped to a different producer who brought in ideas from current mmos, thus killing the population XI once had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    Actually no, that was a different person. I, myself, have played XI for 11 years.
    Copypasta Xaela all look the same.

    In any case, you sure seem to like XI a lot. But then why are you not just playing that instead of FFXIV? Do you actually want to play XIV, or do you just want a new XI with prettier graphics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    Copypasta Xaela all look the same.

    In any case, you sure seem to like XI a lot. But then why are you not just playing that instead of FFXIV? Do you actually want to play XIV, or do you just want a new XI with prettier graphics?
    What do you mean, "You people" >_> lol

    Anyways, I loved XI, best mmo I've ever played and the reason I'm not on it now is because I've completed what content is out now and it's coming to an end in November. The new producer they put in a few years ago started adding the XIV mentality of gaming of outdating things and making everything stupid easy.

    Personally, I'd love an XI with XIV graphics, but that won't happen, especially since devs don't have the balls to try anything different than the WoW formula now, even if it kills their mmo shortly. I'm just trying to help improve XIV, take the good things that older mmos like XI had, that made them last for a decade or more, rather than take the ideas from newer mmos that's caused them to run dry of players.


    Quote Originally Posted by SkizzleofRagnarok View Post
    before people from other games just feels he is using contents that are used in every other game.
    Sad part is, even though XIV is copying other mmos things, the original mmo they copied it from did them better. Look at GW2's "fates". They did it much better than XIV's fates. All the ideas XIV takes from other mmos just feel like watered down versions.
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  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    Actually no, that was a different person, go back a few pages and you'll see.
    Not gonna lie, that confused me too. I was wondering "Why is this person responding to me twi-... oh wait."
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