Why keep DF off of new content?

[Yeldir]

Add Alexander savage on df with no gear drops and I bet hardly anyone will queued or get pass Faust.

Pretty much this. Savage alexander loot drops are designed in such a way as to restrict loot from falling into the hands of anyone but the party that clears the dungeon. SE doesn't want people who aren't part of the dedicated group that clears the encounter to have the item drops - no selling the loot, no helping your friend get their drop for the week, and no carries.

To replicate this, they'd have to bar you from queuing for savage on duty finder if you cleared it that week. Good luck pressing that "relieve me of social obligations" button.

[GarionVale]

There always has to be content for those people that want extremely hard endgame content that required hours of dedicated team effort. This is what Alex savage is. Its not desiened for 8 random people to be paired together from multiple servers to clear. It is simply not that kind of content.

While i understand your want to do this content, you have to realize that SE puts many kinds into the game for the many types of players. They will eventually make this content available in duty finder, and lower the difficulty level so its more friendly to a random group of players just like they will put in a new 24 man here soon because there are people that need the CT style of content.

Its not SE missing something, or missing out, or making a mistake. Its calculated, and frankly i think its the right choice. If they put it in duty finder there would be 500 posts on here about how hard it is and they need to nerf it from the ppl that only log in twice a week and are very casual.

Party finder was SE's counter that still allowed people that wanted to do this content, as well as keeps all the gear on the server. I don't think they want this kind of gear to go cross server.

Also the randomness of duty finder opens the door for ppl not to care how they are seen by others, so it creates a hostile envirnment often, and with content this difficult all it will create is a very negative experience for most that try it.

[Kogasan]

Who says there is no hope. That is just the people who want things to stay the way they are instead of embracing change. This is the main reason why I am atm playing ffxiv very sporadically and playing games like destiny and dark souls 2 more. SE needs to stop this crap of having Alex savage and the like locked behind full party only. I want to do Alex savage but don't want to spend hours on end trying to find a party finder group and getting no where. I feel if this is how its gonna stay I'll become one of those people who log on for roulettes then log off or even quit the game because of it. Please SE fix this crap make it so that normal people can do things like Alex savage when it comes out instead of locking it behind full party only and then when it gets old and only then putting it in duty finder. Make it duty finder when it first comes out please I'm begging you.

[Kogasan]

It's good that it's not in DF, so that new players are forced to do some research on it -- how to unlock it and (hopefully) why it's not in DF. If it was in DF then we'd have droves of new players on the forums begging for savage to be nerfed to make DF a viable option.

And yeah... 99.99% chance that your DF group wouldn't make it past Faust. You wouldn't get much if any experience on an actual boss.

Most content eventually makes it to DF, once it's viable for it. Not sure if Alex savage will though...

edit: if you have issues with PFing stuff, and that's your only option, you might want to consider moving to a larger server.

I'm on a larger server and while I was playing alot still could not get anyone to join my of groups so I doubt server size is the issue.

[Kogasan]

[QUOTE=GarionVale;3297275]There always has to be content for those people that want extremely hard endgame content that required hours of dedicated team effort. This is what Alex savage is. Its not desiened for 8 random people to be paired together. While this might not be designed for 8 random people and yah they make other content. What they should not have done was lock gear upgrades begin content that I not made for randoms. This is a big mistake se made that they need to fix. Especially if they are gonna let randoms get eso gear they should have made it so randoms can get the upgrades to. If they planned on locking upgrades behind full party walls they should have locked the eso gear behind the same walls to. What's the point in having upgradeable gear with no chance to get it upgraded. Yah the raiders will say so we can get it. Well you can get it in the raid tbh that's how it should have been done.

[Ashkendor]

Who says there is no hope. That is just the people who want things to stay the way they are instead of embracing change. This is the main reason why I am atm playing ffxiv very sporadically and playing games like destiny and dark souls 2 more. SE needs to stop this crap of having Alex savage and the like locked behind full party only. I want to do Alex savage but don't want to spend hours on end trying to find a party finder group and getting no where. I feel if this is how its gonna stay I'll become one of those people who log on for roulettes then log off or even quit the game because of it. Please SE fix this crap make it so that normal people can do things like Alex savage when it comes out instead of locking it behind full party only and then when it gets old and only then putting it in duty finder. Make it duty finder when it first comes out please I'm begging you.

It took my static about 3 weeks to down A1S. We're not the best static out there, we're not the worst static out there; overall, we're pretty average when it comes to progression raiding. We raid 3 nights a week for 2-3 hours a night. Duty Finder gives you 90 minutes to clear it with 8 random people that may or may not even have a single clue what's going on. Unless you win the lottery and land in a 7/8 static that queued for shits and giggles to get a lucky random a clear (in which case you get no loot aside from a page which equates to 1/4 of an accessory) it's not going to get cleared in the Duty Finder environment at this point.

What they should not have done was lock gear upgrades begin content that I not made for randoms. This is a big mistake se made that they need to fix. Especially if they are gonna let randoms get eso gear they should have made it so randoms can get the upgrades to. If they planned on locking upgrades behind full party walls they should have locked the eso gear behind the same walls to. What's the point in having upgradeable gear with no chance to get it upgraded. Yah the raiders will say so we can get it. Well you can get it in the raid tbh that's how it should have been done.

If it follows ARR's raid design the upgrade materials will end up being tied to Void Ark somehow.

[RandomInternetguy]

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[hagare]

Want hard stuff just for fun, no gear.....Ya doubt it
Add Alexander savage on df with no gear drops and I bet hardly anyone will queued or get pass Faust.

the same can be said with PF.
How many Coil savage parties do you see everyday in PF?

[Sove92]

Want hard stuff just for fun, no gear.....Ya doubt it
Add Alexander savage on df with no gear drops and I bet hardly anyone will queued or get pass Faust.

I can see A1S and A2S being puggable later on in the expansion (3.4 at latest), they are early coil turn level fights with tighter dps checks, it's A3S where the real fun begins. I don't think A3S and A4S will see many, if any full DF clears in this expansion.

[CGMidlander]

I can see A1S and A2S being puggable later on in the expansion (3.4 at latest), they are early coil turn level fights with tighter dps checks, it's A3S where the real fun begins. I don't think A3S and A4S will see many, if any full DF clears in this expansion.

There's a lot of insta-wipe stuff that DF parties can and will trip over in A3S for sure, if the mechanics aren't nerfed like what they did with T6/7.

But, if SE follows what they did with SCoB Savage, there won't be any mechanic nerfs and no ability to enter without a premade party.

IMO nerfs shouldn't happen, since there is already an accessible version of Alex available. (Normal mode)