We should ally with the Garleans

[VargasVermillion]

I have a feeling this will happen eventually, although not under current leadership. there might be a member of the royal family who shares more peaceful ideals who we help get into power or something. But whether or not they remain an antagonist group or even became some faction we could join I don't think they would ever be killed off from the story completely, maybe changed but not removed. Based on how much they control destroying the empire at once would probably do more harm than good.

[Moonleg]

I think I'm gonna go with butchering a quote from the Stargate series:

"Because when this war is over and every soul left alive in this world is praising the empire, feeding their need for conquest - you know who they're gonna come for next."

[Austratus]

Aside from those two however there arent any examples of non beastmen summoning primals--

Legitimacy up for debate due being part of a sidequest, but Gilg-- *ahem* Greg did.

[Walluh]

I'm generally not fans of those that try to kill me every other day, have killed multiple friends, and are generally considered jerkbags by the entire world.

[Sacerdos]

Aside from those two however there arent any examples of non beastmen summoning primals. If we can stop the Ascians for good then it would be logical to work out a deal with the Garleans. The beastmen still retain knowledge on how to summon primals but nobody else does aside from the Ascians.

I think you need to read about how pre-ARR FFXIV ended or watch the Binding Coil cutscenes.

[PotatoWafflez]

First they came for the beastmen and I did not speak out - because I was not a beastman.

Then they came for the moogles and I did not speak out - because no one sends me letters.

Then they came for the miqo'te, ar ru, roros and elzen and I did not speak out - because they always tried to eat me.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

;-; THINK OF THE LALAS!!

[LunaHoshino]

Do Final Coil. That's all I'm going to say on this matter.

[RiceisNice]

Aside from those two however there arent any examples of non beastmen summoning primals. If we can stop the Ascians for good then it would be logical to work out a deal with the Garleans. The beastmen still retain knowledge on how to summon primals but nobody else does aside from the Ascians.

They don't necessarily need Ascian knowledge. Just prayer and a lot of crystals. You have Good King Moggle Mog the XII, and King Thordan being the two top examples. Enkidu was summoned by Greg without any ascian knowledge, as well as Alexander, and I'm pretty damn sure that Shiva has no relation to it either. The two don't nessesacrly go hand in hand with each other, but an Asican nudge can definitely make it more potent and detrimental.

Oh, and Phoenix.

[myahele]

Beatmen are not the only problem:

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Every few weeks there's always someone wanting to "join the empire". Sorry to say, but you're gonna be railroaded as the good guy forever.

Oh and if people are still thinking that the empire is "good" because they want to rid the world of primals, then it's very convenient how everyone forgets how aggressive said empire is when it comes to expanding its territory. But I guess no one cares about that. Go ask your fellow Highlander or any Au Ra how they feel about the empire, hm?

Oh and if people still think killing all beastmen is the way to go because "all beastmen=primal worshippers", then either those people have not done any beastmen quests or haven't progressed far enough in 3,0 to see why not all of them are the same.