We should ally with the Garleans

[AltanRapsied]

All we need is some magical girl power to purify the garlean empire !
OR MAGICAL BOOOOYS

[Evangela]

If FFIV characters can die and comeback to say hello a few hours later then Estinien can do the same.

[VargasVermillion]

If FFIV characters can die and comeback to say hello a few hours later then Estinien can do the same.

Was simply retconned though, no one bats and eyelid at seeing him so it's safe to assume he just ran away, got injured or whatever.

[Bman10119]

The Garleans are using the primal threat of eorzea as an excuse to do their expansionist thing and try ton conquer us "For our own good". no where else in Hydaelyn as far as anyone is aware has primals because they dont have the large quantities of aether in the land that Eorzea does. The Garleans so far have, by my understanding, manipulated ala migo into getting rid of monks, invaded ala migo which was defenceless without their monks, lead a campaign to conquer eorzea, caused the death of a giant peaceful guardian dragon which released the aether of silvertear lake and allowed for easier primal summonings, called down an allagan moon on us which then exploded, releasing mother fracking Bahamut who tore asunder the continent in a VERY short time, They then killed and kiddnapped the scions who were the most experienced at fighting primals, captured the primals in an allagan weapon and then threatened the NON beastmen people with said weapon.They consort with Ascians, which from what we know so far are pretty much anarchastic immortal jerkwad cultists, hate beastmen because the beastmen summon primals (when they do this because they have no other resorts. The ixali lost the ability to fly and their homes, the amalja live in a friggin dessert and have lost their honor, the kobolds only summon titan because the pirates keep breaking their peace agreements, the sahagin lost their breeding grounds to the calamity so they have to push against minsa to find a new home. The sylphs are peaceful and even their tempered only really go so far as to prank you. Ramuhs even pretty friggin cool. Then we get to Heavensward where we run into the empire who try to commit genocide against a friendly, peaceful village of awesome birdmen, and try to take an allagan research facility to use it as a weapon against us. So why in the name of Hydaelyn, Eorzea, the Light, and Yoshi-P would we want to side with these butt heads for anything!?!? They'd just stab us in the pack and try to conquer us. Again.

[AltanRapsied]

All we need is some magical girl power to purify the garlean empire !
OR MAGICAL BOOOOYS

/10char/char

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I think this trope sums up why everyone wants to be in the empire.

And this trope is for everyone else who wants the rest of us to show sympathy to the empire.

[shao32]

gridanians are racist, uldha slay a nation too, check hildibrand story, and ishgard betray dravania long ago.

i prefer join a empire and are more cool.

[Catwho]

Gonna pass on this. The Garleans at the top may have noble ideals, but their methods are human rights violations bar none.

1. Conquer new territory (e.g. Ala Mihgo.)
- Enslave everyone
- Conscript the strongest men and women into the military
- Use the elderly and children as labor
- Use weaker men and women as sex slaves (seriously this is what they do)
- Work everyone who isn't Garlean to death until they die from exhaustion, STDs, or on the battlefield
- Move your people into the newly emptied territory

2. If people resist
- Kill anyone trying to escape
- Hold their family members hostage if they manage to escape alive
- If they abandon their family members, raze the place to the ground and kill everyone anyway

The Garleans are not nice people. Their cool technology isn't even really theirs; its all copied off the Allagans. They view anyone who isn't Garlean as inferior - they see the enlightened races of Eorzea and the beastmen as the same. Commodities.

There is a reason Lucia defected, and it wasn't just because Ser Aymeric is hot.

[shao32]

i whant to see where you read that.

[Catwho]

i whant to see where you read that.

It's scattered throughout the MSQ, but a large chunk of it gets revealed in MSQ post Titan. Also the NIN and MNK quest series touch on the fall of the Domans and Ala Mihgo. There is no single point that someone lists the atrocities of the Garlean Empire one by one like I did, but if you talk to the NPCs outside of the direct cutscenes, a lot of it gets spelled out or at least heavily implied.

Garleans are bad business.