Why are DPS so upset about tanks coming close to their DPS?

[Jonnycbad]

If tanks can take massive damage and have huge HP pool but also deal 60-70% the damage of a dedicated DPS job, maybe they should increase DPS defense and buff our cool downs since DPS have the damage mitigation of a wet tissue right now (until defense scaling rises with higher ilvl to the way it was at Lv50/ilvl130). Shouldn't it be a recipricol? If tanks can specialize in tanking but also dish out 70% of a DPS's damage, shouldn't DPS be able to tank about 70% of what a tank job can defend? Maybe buff Keen Flurry/Forsight as cross class skills, buff Second Wind/Featherfoot, give one or two more defensive cool downs to DRG MNK NIN. Just don't see why tanks can dish out 70% of a DPS job's damage AND be tanks, while DPS deal 30% more than tanks roughly, but take huge amounts of damage.

[karateorangutang]

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Sure? You could have that but it wouldn't really change much in the meta. Regardless, a competent DPS does good DPS no matter what the situation is.

A good tank will put out good DPS when he/she is able too. It recquires more than a single person to accomplish that. There has to be a solid understanding of the fight and cooperation of the healers to make that kind of damage output even plausible. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

An excellent DPS will near to never compensate a bad tank in almost all content. The other way round.. well. Why should a game with trinity be designed in a way, that one job can be compensated by the other too, only slowing content down (instead of wiping, as it happens when tank/heals are bad).

That's kinda true. Good DPS can output damage and perform fight mechanics. If DPS are putting out mediocre numbers and you have a slightly weak healer... then it's gonna be a wipe. Really solid DPS that dodge aoe's and output good damage can make a fight go much faster, which also lowers the stress on the healer and the tank. It's really visible when your in the tank seat if you have good or bad DPS.

Plus the ratio is 1 tank for 2 dps. One DPS might not make that big difference, but 2 good DPS certainly will.

[Ilyanat]

Dps should be dodging a lot of the attacks, while a tank only has to dodge the critical hits. This only could justify the difference in DPS. The difference on a small pack of trash will seem insignificant. Compare this to a 12-minutes raid where every dps has to run around dodging, and yeah, I'm not surprised the difference could be 300, despite the most optimal damage output by the actual damage dealers.

We're hitting as we're dodging usually. Look up Dervy's video on Ravana he mentions tagging him with phleb's during the add phases, even when we're dodging aoe's we're still finding ways to sneak hits in. Also, if you're seriously not dodging aoe's as a tank can I ask why?

[Leonus]

I believe their unique niche is the ability to do more dps than tanks and healers can. You just gotta find dps who aren't completely clueless...if they even exist.

Wow. I'm seeing a constant pattern here.

Tanks think Healers and DDs are clueless.
Healers think Tanks and DDs are clueless.
DDs think Tanks and Healers are clueless.

Can't we all just get along?

[Iagainsti]

This is just my opinion, but I think all non-Warrior/Scholar/Summoner players are clueless; why waste so much valuable time leveling something other which is downright inferior to those 3 Jobs and their unstoppable prowess.


#shotsfired!!!!! #realizeagagwhenyouseeone

[Misha_Tameshigiri]

The reason DPS tend to be bad is because there's nothing in leveling content that forces a DPS player to learn rotations aside from sporadic (and very easy) DPS checks.
>inb4 read the tooltips
Clearly these theoretical DPS players with i200 weapons pulling 400 DPS don't read tooltips.
As far as leveling content is concerned:
If your tank doesn't know how to do his job, the party wipes.
If your healer doesn't know how to do his job, the party wipes.
If your DPS doesn't know how to do his job, the run takes 10 minutes longer.

[Ilyanat]

I agree Misha, the people talking about people dealing 400 dps and beating them in damage is just their own unfortunate experiences with bad dps players. I've been on a Neverreap run where a paladin didn't use shield oath the entire time, and a lot of the paladins I saw in leveling hardly used flash so clearly all paladins must never read their tooltips right? I'm sure a lot of paladins would facepalm reading this, it goes the same for dps and as well as healers. People that don't know their class are going to make it look bad.

[Phoenicia]

This is just my opinion, but I think all non-Warrior/Scholar/Summoner players are clueless; why waste so much valuable time leveling something other which is downright inferior to those 3 Jobs and their unstoppable prowess.


#shotsfired!!!!! #realizeagagwhenyouseeone

All hail the three great classes!

Btw, you forgot the hashtag again! I'll remind you every time!

[ckc22]

An excellent DPS will near to never compensate a bad tank in almost all content. The other way round.. well.


Why should a game with trinity be designed in a way, that one job can be compensated by the other too, only slowing content down (instead of wiping, as it happens when tank/heals are bad).

Hm, maybe we just need more dps-checks, which can't be done by the tank (e.g. Boss has to stay in some position (mandatory) and adds far away must be killed asap), idk.
With some more effort than all those 1-hit-adds like in Fractal pls.

Please no thank you. Every serious fight in the game right now is a DPS check basically.

[konpachizaraki]

Please no thank you. Every serious fight in the game right now is a DPS check basically.

but still DPS die in the middle of the match in dps check doesn't mean the party can't do the rest(especially if they have limit break)
but if the tank died(especially in the fight when the boss splits or there are 2 boss
it's like 90 % chance the party will wipe