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[Colorful]

You're really contradicting yourself saying you don't use your parser to judge and then say if they do good DPS you'll commend them... that's judging them via your parser. Which is incredibly taboo.

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

[Selli]

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely (idfk i90 DPS values, lol, so lets go with) 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly or making the effort to play correctly.

[Colorful]

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly.

The reason they're not allowed is for possible harassment, and allowing even one 3rd party program will open a whole heap of issues with people requesting other ones being allowed to. He also stated that he's able to judge a player's ability to play correctly without a parser, and it's not uncommon for one to check their party's gear to see if you can mass pull if you're a tank, or if you should hold back a little as a DPS so you don't grab aggro, etc.

[Craiger]

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

Thank you. Parsing players being taboo is a weird view on things...

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

We all have our own views on things like this I guess, but I just feel that we should encourage players that actually puts some effort in and do decent DPS.

I did a dungeon with someone from my FC the other day (don't run often with him), and if I just looked at the enmity bar (which I don't want to do), then it would be hard to differentiate his performance to the normal player you group up with. With a parser though, I could see that he did really good DPS actually... And I say actually, because he's more of a casual player, and he doesn't think his DPS is very good, but in reality, he has good DPS.

Is it wrong of me to acknowledge him for actually spending some time to improve? We need more casual players to do that IMO.

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely (idfk i90 DPS values, lol, so lets go with) 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly or making the effort to play correctly.

I really don't understand what you're on about... ofc I take their gear into consideration.

Also, have I ever mentioned judging players that doesn't get high numbers? There is only 1 commendation to give out for good performance. Me giving it to the one doing high DPS, doesn't mean I think the others are bad or anything... because I can't give anything to anyone else.

If you're a DPS, I'm only gonna give my commendation to a DPS, IF they get high DPS for their level of gear, because that's their only job, what else should I determine it by? dodging AoE? well, most players can do that. If you're new, I'm not saying you need to have any high DPS, but you also can't expect me to give them a commendation for not learning how to do it well yet. Not unless I actually know that someone is new and are doing good considering that. I don't go asking everyone how long they have played the game. That if anything, is taboo...

[Selli]

Thank you. Parsing players being taboo is a weird view on things...

It's taboo because it can cause discrimination and harassment.

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

I was simply stating that you don't need an illegal third party program to judge DPS when there is an in-game way that does basically the same thing. The difference is one is in the game and the other is against the ToS.

Your original post you said you only get commendations because someone must be running a parse. Some people don't use parsers, some people don't use them with people they don't know, but the enmity list can be used as a way to see who is doing more DPS if need be. That's it, that's all.

We all have our own views on things like this I guess, but I just feel that we should encourage players that actually puts some effort in and do decent DPS. [...] Is it wrong of me to acknowledge him for actually spending some time to improve? We need more casual players to do that IMO.

We should encourage new players, absolutely, but not by a number value. They should be encouraged for doing mechanics, like dodging AoEs and killing adds, as DPS values means nothing if one is dead. Knowing how to play their class (ie, their buffs) is also very important.

The numbers don't mean much of anything, someone can know how to play their class really well, but have low DPS numbers because their gear is outdated, just as someone can be pulling crazy DPS despite not doing anything correctly because they're over-geared. There are more factors to the situation than just straight DPS and someone who is making the effort should be rewarded just as much as someone who is 1337DPSingz.

[Granyala]

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

Why?
Why should "holy DPS" players be above criticism?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

I derp as a healer or tank -> usually someone dies or it's a wipe. My error is clearly visible for everyone and you can bet your ass on the fact that they WILL call me out / flame me / instantly kick me, depending on how many points they put into their drama queen talent.

The way I see it, DPS parsers (no I don't use them in FF as long as they are 3rd party halfassed they are too inaccurate imo) like Warcraftlogs even the playingfield and give me the tool I need to assess DPS performance, since most of their errors are invisible to the other players since they mainly result in lower DPS.

Yes I know there are a lot of morons who lack the intelligence to use tools like parsers properly and that cling to one sanctified number and think it describes all.
Well what do you know, we have people too dumb to use computers properly IRL too. Do we ban computers then?

[Craiger]

Why?
Why should "holy DPS" players be above criticism?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

I derp as a healer or tank -> usually someone dies or it's a wipe. My error is clearly visible for everyone and you can bet your ass on the fact that they WILL call me out / flame me / instantly kick me, depending on how many points they put into their drama queen talent.

The way I see it, DPS parsers (no I don't use them in FF as long as they are 3rd party halfassed they are too inaccurate imo) like Warcraftlogs even the playingfield and give me the tool I need to assess DPS performance, since most of their errors are invisible to the other players since they mainly result in lower DPS.

Yes I know there are a lot of morons who lack the intelligence to use tools like parsers properly and that cling to one sanctified number and think it describes all.
Well what do you know, we have people too dumb to use computers properly IRL too. Do we ban computers then?

I'm with you on this, I simply meant harassing someone for having low DPS. If everyone had a parser in-game, players would be able to see how they're doing, and improve. Nobody would have to be an ass and tell them their DPS is bad.

I see a lot of bad healers/tanks, but I don't tell them they are bad...