What Roles would you like for Samurai and Red Mage?

[Shippuu]

I have this poll on reddit and it seems like majority - 58-60% want SAM as a DPS n RD as a melee/caster DPS

Because the poll is pointless, it's always going to be skewed towards DPS because more players play DPS and naturally they want more jobs to be DPS jobs.

It says a lot more that there's only a 8-10% lead for them to be DPS over tanks when you look at the numbers of DPS players there are compared to tank players.


Also, people fail to realize that if we get Samurai as a DPS, it won't wear "medium" armor like dragoon. It'll be like this:
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And not this:
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And that's following what Yoshi-P imagines when he thinks of a samurai (the former).

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Just wondering, where did Yoshida say what he believes a Samurai should wear in FFXIV? Regardless of all that, you're bound to get lookalike sets of both of those armours at one point or another if SAM is introduced. Take NIN for example, their first AF armour is quite heavy and I'm assuming it's made for non-stealthy combat, while the AF2 looks much lighter. Do you honestly think the development team would restrict their designers to something like the first picture only? They'd have to get very creative for the sets not to get boring.

[Shippuu]

Just wondering, where did Yoshida say what he believes a Samurai should wear in FFXIV? Regardless of all that, you're bound to get lookalike sets of both of those armours at one point or another if SAM is introduced. Take NIN for example, their first AF armour is quite heavy and I'm assuming it's made for non-stealthy combat, while the AF2 looks much lighter. Do you honestly think the development team would restrict their designers to something like the first picture only? They'd have to get very creative for the sets not to get boring.

Pretty much the very first article where Yoshi-P mentions Samurai as a dps that everyone got the idea that Yoshi P claims it's only going to be a dps. In the interview, he states that in his mind, he pictures samurai as kinagashi wearing iaido users. And that that image lends itself to a DPS and not a tank (Which is right, a cloth wearing dextrous fighter fits FFXIV's definition of DPS more than a tank.) He specifically mentions them wearing kinagashi and using iaido.

僕の中の侍のイメージは、着流しに刀を下げ、居合の達人という感じです。

着流し = Kinagashi. 居合 = Iaido.

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Pretty much the very first article where Yoshi-P mentions Samurai as a dps that everyone got the idea that Yoshi P claims it's only going to be a dps. In the interview, he states that in his mind, he pictures samurai as kinagashi wearing iaido users. And that that image lends itself to a DPS and not a tank (Which is right, a cloth wearing dextrous fighter fits FFXIV's definition of DPS more than a tank.) He specifically mentions them wearing kinagashi and using iaido.



着流し = Kinagashi. 居合 = Iaido.

Ah, thanks for the source. Well it's an interesting take on the Samurai as opposed to what you might find in other media, although I still stand by the idea that they'll wear a variety of armour, including the usual heavy set.

[Shippuu]

Ah, thanks for the source. Well it's an interesting take on the Samurai as opposed to what you might find in other media, although I still stand by the idea that they'll wear a variety of armour, including the usual heavy set.

This is also why in a later english interview, when talking about samurai as a tank being called a Shogun. It's because Yoshi sees samurai as being the non-armored quick drawing variety, so an armored tanky type is something he'd call a Shogun instead. Still, if people are claiming "Yoshi said it's a dps" then it means it's that specific type of samurai, and while having some set that looks like samurai armor is plausible with Yoshi's idea of samurai, it's unlikely. They wouldn't be sharing an armor class with DRG, they'd likely be sharing the scouting set with Ninjas at that point.


If they are wearing their heavy armor, they should be a tank, hands down. There isn't any other popular FF archetype that people want that can fill an armored tank type. SE would be squandering their options on iconic and requested roles to fill easily into their standard of what a tank is in FFXIV.

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I agree there, even though they made Dark Knight a tank even though it fits into the DPS role quite nicely. Tanks don't have to be heavily armoured though, and vice versa. DPS can wear heavier armour, similar to the Dragoon. I would have preferred they made the Ninja an evasion tank, but oh well... too late for that now. It's entirely possible that they'd create two jobs under the Samurai name. Now that classes are no longer a thing with new jobs, they could be entirely separate unlike Scholar and Summoner, they could share levels too, if they want to dedicate development time into making a system for that. You could buff/nerf one, wouldn't messing with the other.

I think it would be a cool idea to mess around with, and if successful they could branch it onto other jobs, like having an Ninja tank, DPS Warrior, etc. Doubt they'd do that, and I do think the Samurai is going to end up a DPS in the end. Makes me wonder what they'd choose for tank though if that were to happen. Viking maybe?

[Shippuu]

I agree there, even though they made Dark Knight a tank even though it fits into the DPS role quite nicely. Tanks don't have to be heavily armoured though, and vice versa. DPS can wear heavier armour, similar to the Dragoon. I would have preferred they made the Ninja an evasion tank, but oh well... too late for that now. It's entirely possible that they'd create two jobs under the Samurai name. Now that classes are no longer a thing with new jobs, they could be entirely separate unlike Scholar and Summoner, they could share levels too, if they want tI think it would be a cool idea to mess around with, and if successful they could branch it onto other jobs, like having an Ninja tank, DPS Warrior, etc. Doubt they'd do that, and I do think the Samurai is going to end up a DPS in the end. Makes me wonder what they'd choose for tank though if that were to happen. Viking maybe?

You're right, tanks don't have to be heavily armored, but they will be. It's a design choice and a development and itemization one. Tanks will wear fending armor because if they don't, then they're either sharing a set with a DPS now, and that's bad to have a tank contest loot with DPS, or they have their own tier of armor and all that does is pollute the already polluted loot pools as well as requiring a lot more dev time to put in another tier of armor.

They've made it clear they aren't going to do branching systems anymore, and there's little point in including 2 different versions of samurai when there's plenty of other colorful FF jobs to include in the game. It's just not gonna happen.

And your last point is pretty much exactly why SAM should be a tank, because without that, there's no iconic AND requested job that fits the tanking archetype. People argue Samurai tank would be too much like DRK. But how is a Viking somehow different than warrior? Dual wield axes? Samurai could dual wield katana or tachi+wakizashi. How is a Rune Knight much different from a DRK either? Rune Knight is even more similar than a Samurai would be to DRK. There's simply nothing else that isn't some obscure FF job that could be a tank after Samurai and so SE would be a bit foolish to waste such a choice on another DPS.

This is of course if they're even interested in adding any other tanks after the current ones in the next expansion. We could easily simply just see 2 dps added and then queue times will get even worse than what they are now.

[TruebladeNuke]

Because the poll is pointless, it's always going to be skewed towards DPS because more players play DPS and naturally they want more jobs to be DPS jobs.

It says a lot more that there's only a 8-10% lead for them to be DPS over tanks when you look at the numbers of DPS players there are compared to tank players.

Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking that way. Indeed, fan polls will always skew towards DPS because apparently Tank and Healer roles are boring because they focus on something OTHER than just "Kill everything."

Us Tanks and Healers need diversity among new jobs too.

[Intaki]

Tank and Healer roles are boring because they focus on something OTHER than just "Kill everything."

No, tank and healer roles are boring (to some) because they lack mechanical complexity. That's not to say the roles themselves are not complex, but their complexity relies much more upon the encounter and the player-to-player team interactions, rather than the intricate internal complexity inherent to the classes themselves.

[pouncing]

No, tank and healer roles are boring (to some) because they lack mechanical complexity. That's not to say the roles themselves are not complex, but their complexity relies much more upon the encounter and the player-to-player team interactions, rather than the intricate internal complexity inherent to the classes themselves.

/Begin Sarcasm

becaaaaauuuuusssssseeee its sooooooooo hard to follow a set rotation the keeps aaaaaalllll of my buffs up and deals maximum DPSSSS. OHHHHH NOOOOO i have to disengage what ever will i dooooooooooooooo!!!!!

- A guy who main'd MNK until 3.0.

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but on topic i would love to see another tank roll even though we just got DRK maybe something that attacks faster in a la MNK and NIN, but i might be a bit biased cause im a tank, but i love the speed of MNK/NIN. I think SAM could fit this bill, but then i might get shot by all the DPS who want a sword.