AST, MCH, DRK and their failure as new jobs at HW launch

[Velhart]

You might want to stop trying to dismiss people who are reacting as expected to bad implementation. There's several threads on the DPS forums that talk about this in detail, even with the trolls that will spew crap like "git gud".

I have yet to see the argument where it is more viable for BRD/MCH to run around needlessly in a battlefield. People before 3.0 complained (yes this was a thing) that they wanted a more non-support stance to contribute DPS almost to the level of dedicated DPS. SE pretty much gave that, but they can't just give it to you while still having the freedom to move around. There has to be a higher skill cap to compensate for it. Thus, you have a casting stance now. If you want the casting stance out, you have to take the DPS boost away. You can say there are alternative ways, but ultimately it ends up sacrificing DPS that people on the ranged side have been asking for. More freedom of movement means less DPS.

If you don't care about pushing DPS, then by all means. You also have the right to not like it, but GB/WM makes sense and works well in it's implementation. BRD has some minor issues that do need adjusting, but its nothing considered broken or even a real big deal.

This does not work in current party compositions. The way it is right now, Bards and MCH compete against each other for a spot (when before it was unanimously bard). What they need to do is divestize the two a little bit. The fact they both have GB and WM which are functionally the same skills do not help in this regard.

On a side note, melee dps also needs to take a look. The way it currently stands, a DRG is practically garunteed a spot if you're looking for optimal set ups. Battle litany is too good to pass, arguably the strongest single target dps and boosts BRD/MCH DPS (the two also being a mandatory slot for cutting edge progression)What they need to do is divestize the two a little bit. The fact they both have GB and WM which are functionally the same skills do not help in this regard. looking for optimal set ups. Battle litany is too good to pass, arguably the strongest single target dps and boosts BRD/MCH DPS (the two also being a mandatory slot for cutting edge progression)

This is true. From playing both MCH and BRD, it definitely feels like the idea originated for MCH and then tacked onto BRD. I think both having the stance is fine, but how they take advantage of it is could of what set them apart.