Bard - they broke my job

[DragonHunterG]

never played bard too much, didn't like the class. picked up machinist class finally a few days ago to give a try and loved it. it must have been what bards were used to. fast, mobile, lots of fun. then i get gauss barrel at 52 and it literally changes the entire way you play. the cast times are b.s. and really detract from the spirit of the job. i can see now why bard players are up in arms over this. it's just not fun to sit there and wait for an extra 2 seconds for every weapon skill, when they build up the job to play in certain way up to the point, then pull the rug out from under you. sucks because the machinist job is damn cool concept too. not to mention the cast time animation is just plain weird.

[Linadae]

never played bard too much, didn't like the class. picked up machinist class finally a few days ago to give a try and loved it. it must have been what bards were used to. fast, mobile, lots of fun. then i get gauss barrel at 52 and it literally changes the entire way you play. the cast times are b.s. and really detract from the spirit of the job. i can see now why bard players are up in arms over this. it's just not fun to sit there and wait for an extra 2 seconds for every weapon skill, when they build up the job to play in certain way up to the point, then pull the rug out from under you. sucks because the machinist job is damn cool concept too. not to mention the cast time animation is just plain weird.

Yes but at least by 60 MCHs have their full toolkit that revolves around speeding up or even removing the cast timers that GB forces on them. Bards don't get this luxury...EVER. Hence why Bard is clunky and unfun. The class was not build with WM in mind. It was tacked on so it would be just the same as mch so that people wouldn't have to choose between playing a ranged dps with casttimers or playing one without. In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

[Alkel]

In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

And by doing so, they just got the opposite effect: people who dont want cast time are not playing BRD anymore.
Some switched to MCH because its working well with GB.

Considering all the PF looking for a BRD/MCH atm, i bet the BRD/MCH population today is lesser than the BRD population pre 3.0

[Warlyx]

Yes but at least by 60 MCHs have their full toolkit that revolves around speeding up or even removing the cast timers that GB forces on them. Bards don't get this luxury...EVER. Hence why Bard is clunky and unfun. The class was not build with WM in mind. It was tacked on so it would be just the same as mch so that people wouldn't have to choose between playing a ranged dps with casttimers or playing one without. In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

QFT

btw its me or this week i get random interrupts more than ever , wondering wth is going on , that im casting w/o moving and got interrupted :S , usually happens on pulls where i need to gather with others move to the spot and then get interrupted after being there and started casting.... , sometimes work perfect others ughhhhhhh so frustrating.....

[RiceisNice]

Yes but at least by 60 MCHs have their full toolkit that revolves around speeding up or even removing the cast timers that GB forces on them. Bards don't get this luxury...EVER. Hence why Bard is clunky and unfun. The class was not build with WM in mind. It was tacked on so it would be just the same as mch so that people wouldn't have to choose between playing a ranged dps with casttimers or playing one without. In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

It's not so much the cast time removal for me. I'm fine with that. It's that on MCH, I can properly play with reactive procs. If I ever overshoot a slug shot proc with anotehr split shot, I can be assured in saying that it's completely my fault because I didn't catch it in time.

I can't say that when it comes to bard with straighter shot, because the proc itself doesn't even show up or register as a buff until a split second after your weapon skill ends. If you tried to do SS after heavy shot and it gave a proc, you'd still end up hard casting SS without the 100% crit. Then you have bloodletter resets that needs to be used up or it's wasted dps if you overlap the resets (esp if you're multidotting, which is very well possible in nearly all of the alexander encounters)

[yamochan]

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yeah the cast times are ok on MCH cause he can deal with them in many ways. for BRD not so much since the whole class functions different. it wasnt build for cast times and it never will be unless SE changes quite some stuff. i would not mind them as well if they would just function alright.