Bard - they broke my job

[yamochan]

that would be a pain in the rear , just another buff to keep track of....plus rendering the whole gameplay based around it

if the buff worked more like if u arent moving u do 20% more dmg , if u are moving u lose that dmg , having to stand still for 3s everytime u move...ugh... just try it now and u will see...

Never reap : 1 boss , if u need to move totems , 2nd boss , move outside areas and back again to see the boss , 3 boss tornado everywhere!

and where it really matters,

A1S u need to move a lot , As2 not bad , As3 wont see the buff ever , AS4 no clue but guess is a heavy movement fight too.

well im just saying it works pretty damn good in wow. it sounds like u think wow has aoes or movement because it has and the buff works just as fine as it would here
and btw a1 you dont move alot thats just wrong if would be moving too much in a1 i would not have WM up very often as well

[Greywolfamakir]

surprised how often i see this. has less movement time in their normal rotation than us, but the "on demand" move option is scathe, 100 potency. our on demand move option is feint, 120 potency. if we count thundercloud or fire starter procs we'd have to count our straighter shot procs

Turn off WM is not a big lost of DPS if You don't need to refresh DoTs, I mean, You can turn off WM for 3-6 seconds and You are gonna lose a bit of DPS, not a big thing...

When You turn off WM you be able to auto attack...skills do -30% damage, but you are doing auto attacks and if You don't refresh DoTs, they are hitting with +30% from WM.

If you wanna play like BRD and keep a good level of skill like player, you should feel comfortable when stance dance is demanded.

[Aiselia]

AST MP/TP regen is random...it's not reliable.

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

[Greywolfamakir]

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

OMG...I have to read this...for real?...

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...
TP/MP regen from BRD is totally reliable if you know what are you playing...if you think that MP/TP regen from BRD/MCH is no reliable becouse Foe drains mana, you need a bit more practice like player. Just two tips.
1--> You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.
2-->

[RiceisNice]

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

It's an auxiliary source, a clutch if you will. So far I've never acutally used TP turret/song in any of the savage floors, only using mp during true downtimes or crunch time when it came to healer output.

OMG...I have to read this...for real?...

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...
TP/MP regen from BRD is totally reliable if you know what are you playing...if you think that MP/TP regen from BRD/MCH is no reliable becouse Foe drains mana, you need a bit more practice like player. Just two tips.
1--> You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.
2-->

The fact remains that it draws from the same source; the bard's mana. It's not 100% uptime of either one and it's mana management on the bard's end. That's their trade off compared to machinist's regen:damage boost, where the latter is hinged on a 2 minute cooldown. Esp when you add on the effects of battle voice as well; Bard can eitehr get a more potent damage boost or a boosted regen, the former being at a much higher degree (20%), while MCH can only squeeze a little of the boosted regen and a 5% magic boost.

It allows me to give my raid the illusion of choice of what they want in regards to the regen:damage boost ratio in A2s, because they can't make me play BRD even if they paid me.

[yamochan]

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dont forget astrologican mana/tp reg card with the buff we will see way more astros in raids then before...
and yes maybe NIN tp reg isnt as great but it come at no costs

also yeah you can time you foe and even just for some seconds if a heal crys for mana you will fcking play manasong no matter how much u have but why ...... hmmm cause oh yeah heal got no mana you die!

[Aiselia]

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...

I know when people are going to accidentally step into the AOE and get killed so they'll need TP/MP when they get revived?

I must be psychic. BRB, going to buy my cactpot ticket.

You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.

Which does nothing if all of your MP is already gone because they need TP/MP after you've been playing Foe's for a minute, so I'm not sure why you think this is relevant in any way at all, since my entire post wasn't "What if you're already playing Foe's," but "What if you don't have any MP left because of Foe's."

Tip: Goad is more useful than Paeon if one TP user (except the ninja obviously) dies and needs TP, because it won't cost anyone any extra DPS.

You can't 100% rely on a Bard to play TP/MP songs in a pinch if they're also playing Foe's as much as possible for the extra damage.

[Greywolfamakir]

I know when people are going to accidentally step into the AOE and get killed so they'll need TP/MP when they get revived?

I must be psychic. BRB, going to buy my cactpot ticket.



Which does nothing if all of your MP is already gone because they need TP/MP after you've been playing Foe's for a minute, so I'm not sure why you think this is relevant in any way at all, since my entire post wasn't "What if you're already playing Foe's," but "What if you don't have any MP left because of Foe's."

Tip: Goad is more useful than Paeon if one TP user (except the ninja obviously) dies and needs TP, because it won't cost anyone any extra DPS.

You can't 100% rely on a Bard to play TP/MP songs in a pinch if they're also playing Foe's as much as possible for the extra damage.

You should play a bit more and write a bit less here I think...

Im not waste my time with that kind of comments...

If you really think Goad is more reliable than TP song...I'm done...you are right, TP and MP song are useless, but every good party have a BRD or MCH...maybe you should speak with them...

[RiceisNice]

You should play a bit more and write a bit less here I think...

Im not waste my time with that kind of comments...

If you really think Goad is more reliable than TP song...I'm done...you are right, TP and MP song are useless, but every good party have a BRD or MCH...maybe you should speak with them...

Goad is better at keeping people at optimal levels, or helping an individual who needs tp, whereas bards sing when people are at dangerous levels (or downtime) because of how it incurs a damage penalty. Though I still stick by this; I've never had to use a TP song for my savage runs. If people have died, goad would be better for this because only one person out of the entire party needs a TP-pick up and a damage penalty doesn't come with it.

[Moomba33]

The DPS gap between BRD and other classes is the same as it was at 50 without WM. It's not a buff, it's an added mechanic we have to deal with to be as good as before. Without it we're worse than a BLM who ignores Enochian.

In short, BRD are giving up more than ever and receiving nothing in return. That's an issue even beside the more salient point that a lot of BRD players don't enjoy dealing with cast bars, and that's why they played BRD in the first place.

Sorry to bump up an older post when the conversation seems to have moved on, but I just wanted to say that this perfectly sums up how I feel about Bard right now.
I also agree with the poster later on who said that the cast mechanic seemed to have been developed with MCH in mind and then pasted on to BRD.

I don't see this mechanic being changed now as BRD is functional and not being excluded from parties or anything serious like that.
I just find it disappointing that the job seems to have been changed for the sake of change instead of added on to. Perhaps I would feel better if our new support move Warden's Paean wasn't so situational. As its stands I feel like my previously favourite job just got more irritating and didn't gain anything fun.