What makes WHM special? Nothing anymore.

[Yorumi]

As ViDare suggests, there are only so many ways to explain without finally having to come out and say that a poster lacks the experience/context to understand both where they might be wrong and where others might be right.

Very few people explained anything, the majority were either doing an appeal to authority fallacy or just saying the equivalent of "it's fine trust me and don't ask questions." Extracting useful information out of the class forums is difficult cause the majority of the posters seem to just want to say "take my word for it that's the way it is."

[SenzorialBoundries]

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On the contrary, some1 with all classes leveled tend to to hell less knowledge than someone who didint, that is the flaw of the multiple class system this game has, it encourages casual play. Its easier to make an assesment if you pushed your class to the limits and mastered it to almost perfection than someone who leveled all 3 but isint even taking 50% advantage of the kit. If i was a master monk pushing my class to the outmost boundries of dps, it would be easier for me to tell wht thae class is lacking / what other dps classes have over mine comapred to someone who plays nin/drg/mnk but is doing sub par dps.

[Raso]

As someone who has all 3 healing classes to 60 I will say this, AST did need buffs. It was really weak, especially in AoE healing as haste did not translate well to them. These buffs however were not the way to do it.

AST's big thing was it had faster but slightly weaker single target heals which was pretty balanced considering they get 5% haste or 5% strength to their heals. with these buffs they buffed the base healing to match a WHM in every way but 10 potency on HoTs, yet they still have that 5% haste. With that haste they now have faster heals at the same potency also Lightspeed lets you spam Helios to heal the raid while on the move, which is extremely handy in most of the Alex fights. WHM cant do that at all.

Cards being random isnt really too much of a big deal unless you get stupidly unlucky. Just tossing out one Balance, Spear, or Bole during a fight is far more helpful than anything a WHM can offer really unless they have time to waste dpsing for a long period as Assize does about 200 damage outside of Cleric and that's it.

[Raso]

As far as CU vs Asylum goes, you cast CU it plants a HoT on anyone who enters and the hot stays on the target for the entire duration even if CU is cancelled. Everyone has to stay in asylum the entire time to get heals, which doesn't happen a lot of the time.

ED vs Tetra, you know that ED was always better right? If you were at low HP it would have a power level of 1000 instead of a flat 700, it was something that was actually pretty nice and different.

Here is the question though. If you had a choice
*A class that buffs other players and makes the fight end faster, has a better raid oh crap moment cooldown on the move, and casts faster and has a lower GCD
*A class that provides around ~3% more healing and nothing else really.

IMO they really should have pushed AST's class identity to be even faster but still had those weaker heals to average it out while pushing WHM in a different direction like giving temporary HP buffs which stacks with other's DR abilities.

[Cynfael]

I'm slightly boggled by the responses here.

What I'm reading:

- People with multiple classes leveled are more likely to be less knowledgeable because XPing other classes makes them "casual?" (What...?)
- People without firsthand experience shouldn't be called out on their lack of experience even when what they're saying is wrong. (Why...?)
- It is possible to have a well-informed opinion without actually knowing what you are talking about. (In what world?)

The analogy about not needing to be a movie maker to critique movies is off-base. You can certainly declare your like or dislike, but you are ill-qualified to discuss technical elements.

[Xyth]

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However, just like in the real world, employers would want hire people with experience in certain fields, who actually did hands on work. I'm sure they're not going to hire people just because they seen someone did, let's say, draw blood and perform CPR, that it's valid. But, if that potential employee had experience in such matter, it holds more weight.

[RichardButte]

Now your just being rude and frankly hypocritical.

A group of angry people is complaining about an imagined problem. They have decided that they are immune to reason.

In a few weeks, this will blow over and Whine Mages will go back to being White Mages when they stop chicken-littling and realize just how much better their toolkit is than AST's.

Having a healing Job who's design philosophy is built around pure healing output is flawed.

Yeah, seriously, who would EVER want to be identified as the best healer in the game?

On the contrary, some1 with all classes leveled tend to to hell less knowledge than someone who didint, that is the flaw of the multiple class system this game has, it encourages casual play. Its easier to make an assesment if you pushed your class to the limits and mastered it to almost perfection than someone who leveled all 3 but isint even taking 50% advantage of the kit. If i was a master monk pushing my class to the outmost boundries of dps, it would be easier for me to tell wht thae class is lacking / what other dps classes have over mine comapred to someone who plays nin/drg/mnk but is doing sub par dps.

...And yet they could be dual or tri-maining classes, meaning they COULD know something about all of them.

Whereas the people who don't have these classes leveled are GUARANTEED to know jack squat nothing about how they play at cap.

[Yorumi]

However, just like in the real world, employers would want hire people with experience in certain fields, who actually did hands on work. I'm sure they're not going to hire people just because they seen someone did, let's say, draw blood and perform CPR, that it's valid. But, if that potential employee had experience in such matter, it holds more weight.

The point being made is not that experience doesn't count, the point is being made that most people are using that as their sole proof that what they're saying is true. People often have to resort to that when they can't defend what they're saying with something objective. Taking something slightly ridiculous to make the point, if a person with whm only leveled said "scholar shields don't block damage they just have weaker heals," I wouldn't have to respond saying "you don't have scholar leveled what would you know." Instead I could point to combat logs and tests showing that what they're saying in false and would never have to touch the issue of what jobs they have leveled.

People could point to reasons why you can't just look at potencies and nothing else, or other more objective information and never once care what jobs a person has leveled. Instead they're spending page after page attacking the person not the argument.

[Niroken]

I'm slightly boggled by the responses here.

What I'm reading:

- People with multiple classes leveled are more likely to be less knowledgeable because XPing other classes makes them "casual?" (What...?)
- People without firsthand experience shouldn't be called out on their lack of experience even when what they're saying is wrong. (Why...?)
- It is possible to have a well-informed opinion without actually knowing what you are talking about. (In what world?)

The analogy about not needing to be a movie maker to critique movies is off-base. You can certainly declare your like or dislike, but you are ill-qualified to discuss technical elements.

You must be the first healer that never had to heal someone who leveled their class using FATES. It's really sad to know more about a class, never touching it, then a person who leveled to 60 with it.

[Hysterior]

WHM is fine, less button to push, super cosy