From the Uncrying

[kensatsu]

This is what i was saying,
The adventurer ilevel180 craft is too low, (it's a mess for me)
and even when we come with craft gear.
players can afford to them, the price is just high.
Well it's great to make craft to be rare item, but after we got this problem,
if players can't afford to it, you don't sell so well.
What make the craft price to be high, the value of the comp due to time to collect them and the limit of the red script.
Make ilvel 180 adventurer craft from limited comp, is a perfect nonsense.

[LineageRazor]

Assuming the OP wrote about lesser human brings, 'You all are bad for this community.'.. and edited out, There was a group of people that thought like this.. it began with Friedrich Nietzsche and ended with huh? yea that is The National Socialist Party of Germany in the early 1930's. This guy is seriously ill.

Man, sure didn't take long for Godwin's Law to hit THIS thread...

[scarebearz]

I thrived with the old system and I thrive under the new system.

Frankly I'm pretty sure this is a load of rubbish, I bet you have sent more than you have gained from 2* crafting alone. Just because you gathered your own mats does not mean the mats did not have a high value in their own right. Looks like the gear you made would have cost you atleast 200 in mats/materia value, where did you find all the buyers to make 200+mil profit from 2* gear? xD

You pay 15 mil for some dumb puppy minion but cry about spending 3 mil

On my server 1 average crafter part costs 10mil to make in mats alone, if you wish to max meld it, it would on average cost 10-12mil more (V's are around 10mil, iv's 100-200k)

on a functional upgrade.

What is functional about any of the new crafter gear? What can you do with it, that you cannot do without?

All the tears on this forum are tears of some new generation of gamer who does not want to put forth effort to achieve anything.

It's nothing about people not wanting to put in effort, they want the reward to at least nearly match the effort.

[scarebearz]

I've just looked on your server, there are quite a few 2* items for sale (not many actually sold), but your not selling any of them.

Prices are about the same as my server, for both the mats and materia.

Yet your magically making loads of gil from 2*, can't say I believe you xD

There is also not a single DoM/DoW HQ piece on your MB, so much for 2* thriving?

[marewa]

You're right, kids these days don't know how good they have it. Back in my day we had no crafting recipes. We had to guess and if we were wrong we lost all the mats 100% of the time, none of this 90% reclaim nonsense. Crafting made nothing of value, but we still crafted anyway and dang it we liked it. It was about role playing an experience and putting in some good old fashioned hard work that you could be proud of at the end of the day. We also wore an onion on our belt, which was the style at the time. We didn't have any fancy auction houses or market boards, we had to travel around the world on foot and find somebody who wanted to buy our item. Then we had to travel some more to get to a bank so they could pay us because it was too risky to carry a lot of gold on you, and too heavy because money had real weight to it!

...and we crafted uphill in the snow, both ways!

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[scarebearz]

Snip

You mention "if you are a real crafter" and talk about failing non star crafts with previous 3.0 BiS gear xD

The point still stands that the new gear is not needed for anything currently.

The new gear would save you 1/2 steps in a macro, but it seems it still wont allow you to 100% HQ from NQ mats lvl 60 non star gear, using a single macro press. I doubt the time saved VS cost is anything close to worthwhile.

The only real function of the new craft sets is glamour and to be fair, some of them look pretty nice.

[Kabooa]

Which one are you?

She's apparently a gillionaire.

Let's clear up a couple misconceptions

People who dislike the system are not, by necessity, avoiding participation.
People who like the system are not, by necessity, 'profiting'. (We can't really quantify fun though)

The only thing we can't dispute is crafting has always been optional. It could only be considered mandatory by people who push content the moment it's released, simply because crafted gear has allowed for stat set ups that available loot does not provide. (Even in this 'ruined' system, at the bare minimum i150 accessories are used for vitality/strength melding). It's currently in a transitional phase and it's too early to say 'useless' or 'useful' until 3.1 hits and we see these new recipes.

[scarebearz]

There's no need to be rude. It's clear you don't want to put in actual work to craft and just want things handed to you. The red scrip system has really shown the true colors of who crafts for fun and enjoyment and who just does it when they aren't raiding as a "side thing". Which one are you?

It's not being rude, you bought up the "if your a real crafter topic" xD

Was this system not meant to be more "casual friendly" anyway?

She's apparently a gillionaire.

I hit 2bil gil back in March mostly from crafting, maybe compared to Irisviel I'm only a casual crafter?

I'll quote Irisviel talking about new 2* crafted crafter gear:

The ultimate question is closer to "is this route feasible for anyone with less than a billion gil?" and the answer is no.

It's not even feasible for people with a lot of gil, as you wont see a return in the insane investment needed, as the gear is not needed/useful enough.

I don't mind chasing a carrot on the end of a stick, but there has to be a carrot there :P

It does not mean I've not made any of this gear to use myself (Gotta have that glam ;O), I've made myself several of the chest parts, un-melded they are nearly the same stats as the previous BiS, so I just use them un-melded, as the stats I had before were more than fine for current stuff.

People who dislike the system are not, by necessity, avoiding participation.
People who like the system are not, by necessity, 'profiting'. (We can't really quantify fun though)

Agreed ^^

[AnimaS]

Man, sure didn't take long for Godwin's Law to hit THIS thread...

Argumentum ad verecundiam bravo!

[Ranzan]

I hit 2bil gil back in March mostly from crafting.

By the Twelve how much for a guide to get a quarter of that amount? ^_^;;

On topic: OP just well... no just no... He has to be a very bad troll.